Twitter verification, 2.0; Snapchat woos TikTok users back via laying bricks; SpaceX Starlink going to ruin the night sky; WarnerMedia leaving theaters out to dry; Discovery+ to start streaming diners, drive-in & sharks; Google fires AI ethicist for doing her job; show your work, DeepMind; Dad-Bod Fett; Dave wants to believe; iPhone Wi-Fi packet of death; embarrassing de-pixelizations; Tenet; Bond, YouTube Bond; the Grinch; Marvis Pro; Clubhouse; more Ready Player Two; Yankee Candle shoppers got the ‘rona; picking light bulbs; GoPro vs lava; feedback.

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Show Notes

FOLLOW UP

Tony Hsieh’s American Tragedy: The Self-Destructive Last Months Of The Zappos Visionary

The Death of Zappos’s Tony Hsieh: A Spiral of Alcohol, Drugs and Extreme Behavior

IN THE NEWS

Twitter Wants to Use Wikipedia to Help Determine Who Gets a Blue Checkmark

Snapchat’s Strange, Cringey Attempt to Woo Back TikTok Users

SpaceX snags $885M from FCC to serve rural areas with Starlink

WarnerMedia’s CEO explains why he’s blowing up the movie business

Hollywood Is Preparing to Sacrifice Movie Theaters

Discovery, home of Shark Week, HGTV, and Food Network, enters the streaming wars with Discovery Plus

Inside Google’s firing of a top AI researcher, and the academic paper that started the battle: ‘People are seriously pissed’

DeepMind’s protein-folding breakthrough triggers fierce debate among skeptical scientists: ‘Until they share their code, nobody in the field cares’

NVIDIA found a way to train AI with very little data

SECURITY HAH!

The CyberWire

Dave Bittner

Hacking Humans

Caveat

Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready

Maybe Bob lazar was right all along…

iPhone zero-click Wi-Fi exploit is one of the most breathtaking hacks ever

A tool to depixelate text.

MEDIA CANDY

Tenet

YouTube Is Streaming 19 James Bond Films For Free

The Grinch (2018)

The Grinch Theme by Tyler, the Creator

Netflix Loses ‘The Grinch,’ and Customers Are Fed Up

Best 2020 Christmas Episodes From Toddler Shows

APPS & DOODADS

Audiophile Deathmatch: Monster Cables vs. a Coat Hanger

Marvis Pro

Marvis on Twitter

Clubhouse

MORON OF THE WEEK

People Are Leaving 1-Star Reviews Of Scented Candles, Seemingly Unaware They Just Have Covid

BRIC-A-BRAC

How to Pick the Best Light Bulb for Every Room

This GoPro Camera Recorded Itself Being Swallowed By Lava – And Survived To Tell The Tale

FEEDBACK LOOP

Mohsen Fakhrizadeh: ‘Machine-gun with AI’ used to kill Iran scientist

Rememeber, Johnny Mnemonic starts 2021

Amazon Fire TV Adds Local News In 12 U.S. Cities, With 90 More Coming In 2021

Watch News Live

CHINA ACHIEVES QUANTUM SUPREMACY IN MAJOR COMPUTING BREAKTHROUGH

Addressing male sexual and reproductive health in the wake of COVID-19 outbreak

The Awful German Language

Drone footage shows the shocking collapse of the Arecibo Observatory

CLOSING SHOUT-OUTS

Chuck Yeager, U.S. Air Force officer who broke speed of sound, dies at 97

QCode Hires Apple Podcast Marketer Steve Wilson as Chief Strategy Officer

 

Robert Fogarty 00:02
grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian show Meister and Jason defilippo. Discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet. And who's to blame?

Jason DeFillippo 00:16
Well, the grumpy old geeks I'm Jason defilippo.

Brian Schulmeister 00:19
And I'm Brian Meister. A A.

Jason DeFillippo 00:21
How's it going up there?

Brian Schulmeister 00:22
A It's good. It's cold. It's a cold. Very cold, but good.

Jason DeFillippo 00:27
No. That's Canada. Canada expects Yes. Canada December. Hmm.

Brian Schulmeister 00:35
Yes. It's very cold. Anyways, it's a it's all good. It's all good. Can't complain too much. You know, it's a combination of COVID and Canada, but supply lines are still pretty bad. So we're looking at the COVID Christmas here. Yeah, it things are just gone. Like we tried to, I guess do some last minute, you know, decorations and stuff like that. And I made it out to like the Home Depot or Lowe's or whatever. The other day and the aisles are just empty. There's nothing to be had. So we're gonna have a sad little Charlie Brown Christmas tree this year. Oh, poor baby. It's all good. It's all good.

Jason DeFillippo 01:11
Yeah, that's the one thing we are stocked up. We don't need damn near anything. But

Brian Schulmeister 01:15
yes, but remember, I am starting from scratch. I

Jason DeFillippo 01:18
know. That's what I mean. You're going from ground zero. So yes, no, we have it. We have an entire section of the house set up for quick loading and unloading of the Christmas decorations. And it's we have this down to a science, that's for sure. But speaking of things being out of stock, man, now I'm old and you guys got me to go to the doctor. You bastards. And sorry, they put me on Calista Paul because I'm gonna have a stroke any day now. And I went filled my prescription. They gave me six pills. Like, give us a call back. We're out. This is all we got in the whole place. I'm like, okay, that's odd, and kept calling back and call and now. It's been two days since I've been able to take my meds and I called them this morning and they're like, nope, call this afternoon should be in I'm like, you've been telling me that for four days.

Brian Schulmeister 02:01
Welcome to our Coronavirus vaccine future.

Jason DeFillippo 02:04
Yeah, exactly. So I'm like, Can I just go to Rite Aid? And they're like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, just go ahead and do that. But then I gotta pay, you know?

Brian Schulmeister 02:11
Yeah. Then you got to pay.

Jason DeFillippo 02:12
Yeah, I'd rather pay and live then. You know, what gets the money if you have a stroke? Yeah, I will. And I tell you what, man, I thought I was gonna beat and this is this is old man talk now here on grumpy old geeks. I've been nervous about taking this stuff. The main the main side effect on this one isn't as bad as the last one which had me break out in a fiery rash for three days which was just hell on earth. This one's just constipation. That's all I thought that was I thought that was an easy one for me. I mean, granted my my Clash Royale play has gone down significantly since I started taking it but now that I'm off it we're kicking ass in the clan is all I gotta say cuz back on the job. Yeah, well, you know, just

Brian Schulmeister 02:57
us back. chase down your meds with a healthy dose of prune juice and it should even out

Jason DeFillippo 03:03
Yeah, I don't want it to eat it out. I kind of like it the other way around. It's like you know, I get no cholesterol and and free Imodium at the same time. It's awesome. All right.

Brian Schulmeister 03:11
I think it's been at least two podcasts since we've discussed your bowel movements.

Jason DeFillippo 03:14
Yeah, record. Well, speaking of meds to I got some sad follow up on the Tony Shea story. Turns out he just kind of went Cuckoo.

Brian Schulmeister 03:24
Well, you know, you give people too much money, Jason.

Jason DeFillippo 03:27
Yeah. And nothing to do. Yeah, that's exactly. That's pretty much a recipe for disaster. So he was paying people to come to Park City, Utah, get doubling their highest paid salary they ever had just to come and hang out with him and be his friend. And it's like, oh, that's not gonna work.

Brian Schulmeister 03:45
I almost feel like there needs to be some sort of support group program from famous rock stars to talk to all these famous entrepreneurs that have just made it super rich and also insert, you know, sports figures, all these kids that come from zero money to, to you know, playing basketball for $20 million a year. This is a tale is told as old as time. I've known many musicians that have burnt out and they've done similar things basically paid to have friends. You know, you got your posse, your MC Hammer posse and all that sort of stuff. So, yeah, so it's sad to see it. But it's not surprising. This is really, like you said too much money and nothing to do that. Human Nature is not meant for that we're supposed to be chasing down rhinos and did to eat struggling. We're not supposed to just be sitting in a mansion with nothing to do except, you know, do a bunch of drugs.

Jason DeFillippo 04:36
Yeah. And he was doing Whippets. Man, a lot of Whippets. Like he was the one crazy when he would go on a walk and do nothing but Whippets instead of oxygen. I'm like, you should be dead. Oh, wait, Mark city. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 04:48
Especially at that elevation?

Jason DeFillippo 04:49
Exactly. That's Oh Whippets, man, they're fantastic. But also bad for you. Oh, so yeah, before you here's the real shocker though. One of those people That we're I don't know if she was on the payroll, because Penn said she was doing a project was pendulous wife. She was in Park City. Yeah, yeah. As part of that whole thing. And then Penn went out there now and I love I love Penn Sunday school for some reason. It's not the greatest podcast, it sounds like ass. But it's still fun.

Brian Schulmeister 05:20
I love them. And I do Hey, Bobby pen lives and alternative lifestyle as well.

Jason DeFillippo 05:25
Yes, Yes, I did. That's the he definitely does. And but he is he has not Tony shade out. Thank God. So that's all good.

05:35
News.

Brian Schulmeister 05:41
Well, we have an update, perhaps to the ongoing saga of the Twitter blue checkmark. verification, yes, the verification which as we've known since day one has basically been a scam. If you knew somebody you would you'd get a checkmark if

Jason DeFillippo 05:54
you didn't know didn't see now that that's the that's the the misconception here. I knew the girl who ran the verified division at Twitter. And she was like, No, we don't do it. Where you where you get to pay to get your check mark is Instagram. that'll cost you five to 10 G's and you get your Instagram check mark. I know people who have done that and paid that much money. I think it's silly. I think it's absolutely ridiculous. But Twitter has always been actually pretty hard to crack.

Brian Schulmeister 06:24
Is it more of a black box? Like the AI black box? Yeah, account goes in and you don't know what's gonna come out on? Yeah, it kind of is. We'll

Jason DeFillippo 06:32
get to black boxes later. But yeah, it's very much like that.

Brian Schulmeister 06:35
Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. But it's basically been incredibly unknown. And it's been impossible to do. I mean, I remember when I was working for bands, I would be writing Twitter support all the time going, can we get a checkmark? I mean, 100 million albums sold. Come on. Yeah. And no, nothing. But there you go. So they basically paused at all, as of 2017, as we've talked about, because, well, yeah, they gave a white supremacist, a checkmark and people went, Hmm, that's interesting, especially since there's all these people that should have checkmarks that have not so they put it on hold and said, Alright, we're gonna rethink this. That was three years ago. Nothing has happened since then. Now they finally made an announcement. So they've said, All right. But actually, let's copy out that really quickly. In the three years since they stopped the program. They still did political candidates, some medical experts tweeting about COVID-19 and made 1000s of other quiet exceptions, once again, black boxing it nobody having any idea how any of that worked. So they basically just slowed down the process. Yeah, yeah. But now it's over. So they've launched a blog post saying, we're bringing it back, and we're gonna rely on Wikipedia.

Jason DeFillippo 07:42
Oh, fuck you,

Brian Schulmeister 07:44
which as people quickly pointed out, said, you know, that white supremacist that made you shut all this down in the first place. He has a Wikipedia page, huh? Yo, not very helpful, really. They're trying to come up with all these different metrics. They're going to look at six different types of accounts, government companies, brands, nonprofit organizations, news, entertainment, sports activists, organizers and other influential individuals, basically, creating blackbox 2.0, as far as I'm concerned,

Jason DeFillippo 08:11
yeah. And just this weird stratification. Honestly, if you can prove who you are, you should get a checkmark. That's

Brian Schulmeister 08:17
all it should be. Yeah, it's verified.

Jason DeFillippo 08:19
Yeah, it shouldn't be this fucked up caste system where you have to be quote, unquote, somebody to get a checkmark. I know. I know many somebody who are nobodies who have checkmarks. And it's exact.

Brian Schulmeister 08:29
I know a ton of people that have checkmarks that are actual nobodies. And yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 08:33
so Exactly. We are more somebody than they are in the checkmarks. And we don't Yes, that's saying something because we are definitely nobody. Oh, yes,

Brian Schulmeister 08:42
we are definitely nobodies. And I have little bit more of social media news. And this is kind of funny as we've we've been talking about snapchats imminent demise for about five years now. And this thing just doesn't die. Whack a mole. They're doing pretty good. Now I heard I know they kind of are except Tick Tock is really kind of killing them. So they were kind of on the upsweep. Again, they were getting some some traction. I think they're aware of the fact it's a COVID bump, and they're realizing that they're bleeding out to tik tok. So they have a strange and according to slate cringy, attempt to woo back Tick Tock users.

Jason DeFillippo 09:16
If it's even Snapchat, it's always cringy especially around culturally inappropriate filters for holidays.

Brian Schulmeister 09:23
Well, basically, they're paying people.

Jason DeFillippo 09:26
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a million dollar fund, right?

Brian Schulmeister 09:28
Yeah, pretty much. Yes. This is the million dollar funds. So they're using something called spotlight which anyone 16 or older could submit a video to without establishing an influencer level presence. And the incentive to submit is not insignificant, as they say through the end of the year, the most popular submissions that will make it spotlight will split $1 million per day, with payouts calculated according to an opaque popularity algorithm. Another black box another black box. Yes. So yeah, and what does they say? This article is great. What is Snapchat getting for its money. And here are some of the aspirationally viral things I saw over a few hours of scrolling. Also, this is my my note here. This is why I don't bother with any of this shit. Here's the stuff that you get to see a dozen ASMR videos. Someone receiving an extra egg Patty and their chick fil a breakfast sandwich. Someone spying a man at an airport who looks like but is not Joe Biden. Someone feeding a live mouse to an African lungfish in a take someone lamenting they're burnt toast and on and on it goes my particular favorite being someone trimming their cats but hair.

Jason DeFillippo 10:35
No that's again,

Brian Schulmeister 10:36
someone literally laying bricks. This is why I don't bother with any of this. But yeah, this is their big attempt to kind of battle back and gain some market share from Tick Tock which I don't see happening. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 10:52
Yeah, well, apparently it's still up in the air. What's going to happen to tick tock they're saying that it's okay. We're back on with you have to sell and then maybe not we're busy with the ran way we don't know. Oh, we won. We won. We won. Maybe tik tok is a thing again, there's some all over the nothing's

Brian Schulmeister 11:08
gonna happen because this was Trump's bugaboo. And Trump is too busy holding rallies saying he won.

Jason DeFillippo 11:15
I know Rudy Rudy got the vid. That's just the best news of the week.

Brian Schulmeister 11:20
So my prediction here is absolutely nothing, nothing happened. Walmart will not be doing whatever they're doing Cisco will not be hosting Tick Tock stories. Absolutely nothing is gonna change or move on with an Oracle was it I can't even remember I

Jason DeFillippo 11:35
can see this is Larry Ellison. Now that's right. Yes. Yeah, yeah, and his little repub, but but he's but yes, buddy. What's not funny, though, is say goodbye to the night sky forever. Because that little experiment that Ilan did with starlink. And the myriads of what he's going to be eventually 1000s of satellites, racing through the night sky fucking up our nighttime photography. Well, they just got $885 million from the FTC or FCC to start serving rural areas,

Brian Schulmeister 12:06
and pie on the way out screwing up our sky.

Jason DeFillippo 12:09
Exactly. Ajit pie in the sky. Oh, man, that would have been a good shift. I don't want to give that guy more more than one title a year so good. But other companies also got a bunch of money over a billion dollars for charter charter, Minnesota and Iowa provider Ltd, broadband and rural Electric Cooperative consortium with another over a billion dollars. So those guys are gonna build fiber elans just gonna fuck up the fuck up that big thing overhead. Thanks. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 12:43
it's a horrible idea. It's just more junk up there. It's gonna ruin our night sky. I mean, my kid is just getting into this and it's just horrible. Don't do it. Whatever happened to Google's balloons?

Jason DeFillippo 12:54
Can't we just do those? Oh, those those things are kicking ass now using AI Yeah, came out last week. They're using AI so they can actually do their own tracking and hover in place, which is pretty cool for a balloon. You know if it figures out how to because it uses the air currents to move around. It's pretty cool stuff. But yeah. Then what we need now is a Snapchat filter to remove all the starlink satellites when you're taking a selfie at night.

Brian Schulmeister 13:18
Yeah, I agree. So we got some big media news, Jason. As we know last month, Warner media announced that HBO max subscribers would be able to watch Wonder Woman 1984 at home on Christmas Day, the same day would debut in whatever movie theater bite happened to be open anywhere.

Jason DeFillippo 13:34
I'm glad you I'm glad you said it the way you did it. Because so many of these fucking news stories say you'll be able to watch it for free on HBO max. Uh, not free. You got to pay for HBO. Max.

Brian Schulmeister 13:47
Yes, I pointed I pointed that out in our in our Discord. And a bunch of pedantic people came out saying I think it's understood. I'm like, No, well, not when with the headline says for free. That means for free, not not to paid subscribers.

Jason DeFillippo 14:02
Well, free. Free is the free is unlimited. The unlimited nowadays when it comes to this stuff.

Brian Schulmeister 14:08
But last week on Thursday, they announced some bigger plans basically all 17 are there big movies coming out this in 2021 will be day and day release on HBO max as well as whatever movie theater happens to be open for whatever people are crazy enough to go to the movie theater. So that includes Dune, the new matrix movie and a whole bunch of other stuff. It's a huge change. Yeah, they're basically doing what we said they need to do, and they shouldn't do. Mm hmm. Yep. Yeah. So they did a big interview over on Vox that's worth the read with Jason color. The CEO and I pulled this out specifically for you, Jason, because one of the questions was, what is HBO max coming to Roku and the CEO of Warner media said, feel free to call Roku I can give you their number and you can ask them that question. So casting a little shade there and press Playing a little ball saying it's it's kind of their fault because they're not. They're not doing whatever needs to be done to get it done.

Jason DeFillippo 15:06
Yeah, yeah. And even says Amazon was even willing to negotiate because it's like, it's about the fans and you want the fans to be happy. And yeah, screw you Roku.

Brian Schulmeister 15:18
So there's another article about this whole thing that happened. And this one is called Hollywood is preparing to sacrifice movie theaters. Okay, and they're saying that basically, this compromise will be disastrous for theaters. It's ahead. It's kind of goes. This guy's obviously a cinephile. He likes to go see movies, the guy that wrote this article, he likes to go see movies in the cinema, which is fine, great. There are hardly any cinemas are open, there's, they were in the middle of a pandemic, I'm not going to see any of these movies, they have to do something with them. Because these movies are now just sitting on shelves. Some of them have been sitting on shelves for quite some time. So he's basically saying, though, how are we going to get, you know, how are we going to get this Pandora's box? everything back in when this is done? And honestly, I don't think we will.

Jason DeFillippo 16:00
Because he's never heard the story. Pandora's box. analogy there? Yeah, he's,

Brian Schulmeister 16:09
he's, he's saying that, you know, the chains aren't going to survive. And yeah, they may not. A lot of industries aren't surviving right now. And I can get into that. And I think I will a little bit later about the lack of federal response or any help whatsoever. So yes, these these theater chains may go out of business now has served them right for charging $17 for popcorn for years, they should have pocketed some of that money. Yeah, just saying. So what he's predicting is basically there may be some sort of to chain thing where where, you know, maybe they'll wait a week before it comes out for subscribers on services. Or it can be kind of a boutique II thing which I kind of get the charge a little bit more for cinemas, there'll be less cinemas it becomes an experience blah, blah, blah. We'll see. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 16:50
yeah, I don't know. I think the days of the cinema might be over.

Brian Schulmeister 16:54
I think there will always be a cinema and a need for it and people going but I do think the chains and the one and up you know one in every neighborhood is definitely a done deal that's gone. I

Jason DeFillippo 17:04
would I really like there's a there's one in Downers Grove called the Tivoli that we used to go to all the time, fantastic little like hometown cinema on Saturdays and Sundays, they got a kid play in the Oregon while you come? Well, you know, while you're waiting for the movie to start. Before the monkey? No, no, they couldn't get kids from the high school to come and play. They're usually really good. And the only popcorn in the country that I can handle because it doesn't actually, you know, actively smell like feet. Like most of amcs popcorn does. But like little boutique theaters like that, I think would be fun. And I don't know if you've ever done this, but midnight showings where they serve alcohol. Oh, double featureful Well, I mean, most s thing in the world.

Brian Schulmeister 17:45
I mean, most theaters have upped their game at least in LA with that anyways, you can get beer and wine now. So which is definitely a plus

Jason DeFillippo 17:51
definitely a plus. But it'll be interesting. I think in the future, maybe everybody's just gonna have you know, like VR headsets and just sit there with headphones and a big 75 foot screen in front of their face and just we just Wally it out in the year 2000

Brian Schulmeister 18:12
we're old anyways. Got a bit more streaming news. And I saw this particularly given my my woes I've been talking about recently in terms of getting Food Network here in Canada, discovery homeless Shark Week HGTV and the Food Network has entered the streaming wars themselves with discovery plus, outdoors, why i a couple different names could have been shark plus would have been a really good one because Shark Week theory plus the area. How do you miss that? I mean, I would have named it that I'd subscribed to that.

Jason DeFillippo 18:43
Oh, absolutely. Yeah, that would have been so delicious channel,

Brian Schulmeister 18:48
it would have been delicious. So it'll start at 499 a month with ad supported tier along with a 699 ad free option, which is quite affordable, actually. compared to most other streaming options, but then again, I mean, it is just HD TV, Food Network and Discovery Channel. It's not exactly like you're getting premium entertainment here.

Jason DeFillippo 19:08
Yeah, I already get those. So this is just for you. Yeah, I

Brian Schulmeister 19:11
mean, this is you know, this is for cord cutters. Really? Yeah, they are gonna try to do you know, special programming that's only for the subscribers. They've announced a couple different shows and all that sort of stuff. But really, you know, this is definitely for me, but we'll see. And, of course, guess what? No Roku yet because they're still negotiating.

Jason DeFillippo 19:27
Well, of course.

Brian Schulmeister 19:28
I think they got some hard ass lawyers over at Roku, I think

Jason DeFillippo 19:33
are inept ones one of the two or that? Yeah, no, well, glad I kept my Apple TV. Whoo. Yeah. Now Brian, this one has been going around. This is broken like right after our last show. So I'm not gonna spend too much time on it because it's kind of beaten into the ground. Tim Nick gebru I don't know how you say that. I'm gonna go with that. She is one of Google's top AI ethicists or was one of the top AI ethicists because she got shipped canned after a new paper that she was co author on got out. And Google was not very happy. And then they got into a very heated email exchange, which you can find just about everywhere. There'll be links in the show notes to get to that. Yeah, this is not a good look for Google when you hire an ethicist to talk about why AI is bad, where it's failing and where we can fix it. And when they do exactly what they're supposed to do you say, you weren't supposed to say that. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 20:31
she did her job. I mean, that's basically it. If you're at AI emphasis right now, your job is to say, everything happening right now has biases in it, and we need to be super careful and change things.

Jason DeFillippo 20:45
Yeah, I think that's your job. Mm hmm. You can just go with this one with the with the title for the article alone, deep minds protein folding breakthrough triggers fierce debate among skeptical scientists, quote, until they share their code. Nobody in the field cares.

Brian Schulmeister 21:01
Boom, yep. Alright. DeepMind to show your work.

Jason DeFillippo 21:04
Exactly. So this is for alpha fold. The protein folding thing that we talked about last week, or dude mentioned in passing last week, but yeah, everybody's saying, Yeah, this is kind of cool. But in less you show us how you came up with your results. We really don't trust you. And we don't want to. We're not we're not putting our you know, we're not putting our force behind this one. Because,

Brian Schulmeister 21:26
you know, this this story in particular was a great study in journalism in the year 2020. Right, because the the headlines broke, and it was like Hall lujah breakthrough. Oh, my God, oh, my God. And then immediately it became like, hang on a second here.

Jason DeFillippo 21:44
The phones. I go pull the dash.

Brian Schulmeister 21:50
I mean, it happened like so fast. And it was so extreme. The swing, it was amazing. Yeah. And I kind of makes you go, Hey, guys, maybe hold off and do a little research before you put those headlines out there.

Jason DeFillippo 22:04
Little more peer reviewed action made. You know, the whole science part. I know you're coders but, you know, maybe just try and talk to your peers.

Brian Schulmeister 22:13
And given our last two stories, this one, maybe we should trade a little bit of a skeptical eye on as well. nividia has found a way to trade AI with very little data. yet they've developed a new approach for trading generational adversarial networks or Gann that could one day make them suitable for a greater variety of tasks. I would like to propose a new grumpy old geeks rule that anytime somebody says that could one day we replace that with maybe in 20 years

Jason DeFillippo 22:38
maybe in 20 years. Yes, yes. Maybe one day the generative adversarial network we're drive our cars and fly our taxi yes and

Brian Schulmeister 22:46
i think if if we had an AI emphasis on this podcast with us right now they would probably say something along the lines of you think it's a good idea to use even less data?

Jason DeFillippo 22:57
Brian I think at this point after almost eight years we are at this

Brian Schulmeister 23:02
I would argue that we totally are I we definitely are at this point where we can do as good a job as any of the ones that have gone to learned institutions for it

Jason DeFillippo 23:10
yes and gotten paid a hell of a lot less that's us to be fair being the ones get paid we

Brian Schulmeister 23:15
have been either hired nor fired by Google that's so I call it a push

Jason DeFillippo 23:24
Oh and by the way one of the things that the reason that this is interesting is because you know their new approach which with less data that was one of the reasons she got fired was saying this stuff takes up way too much energy and we're burning up the planet on it using AI because the the data sets the amount of data now in the computing power is getting to the point where it doesn't work. So maybe they all need to go buy those new Apple m one chips and try it on that

Brian Schulmeister 23:48
maybe or maybe we stop fucking around with this shit.

24:01
Security.

Jason DeFillippo 24:05
We're joined again this week by Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the cyber wire podcast. Dave is also the co host of the social engineering podcast hacking humans with Joe Kerrigan as well as the co host of caveat with Ben yelin where they discuss law and policy as well as surveillance and privacy. What's new Dave

Dave Bittner 24:22
Hello Hello Hello Welcome back. It's It's It's officially wintertime here which it's cold. Christmas season is upon us I have where there's a big tree next to my house. I put the lights on the tree. It's lovely. So I don't know what I mean. I'm sure Jason out in California it's probably the same temperature it always is. Brian what's what's it What's it like in the Great White North these days?

Brian Schulmeister 24:48
It's white. It's actually a it's a it's been warm enough for the snow to melt away but snow is coming again but warm enough. I mean, I don't go outside.

Dave Bittner 25:00
Good to see how are you? How are you feeling about all this California boy?

Brian Schulmeister 25:04
You know I missed I missed the fires that are ravaging California right now. You know, toasting toast, toasting marshmallows against the forest as it's deteriorating. Yes, right. Yes.

Jason DeFillippo 25:14
You're missing 80 degree 40 mile an hour Santa Ana winds today with a red flag warning and things are already starting to burn down. So

Dave Bittner 25:27
you could go outside and build a little snowman.

25:30
I can still don't have ash. Yes.

Jason DeFillippo 25:33
Ash in the broken dreams of my neighbors

Dave Bittner 25:38
held together with bitter regret.

Brian Schulmeister 25:41
I like I like to go to the nicer neighborhoods in LA and I'd like to build my snowman out of the ash of Ferraris and Bentley's. Right, right. Yes. Well, we have some big news. Dave. I I know that you are as hardcore Star Wars fan as I from your youth. And yes, one of our favorite characters of all time came back. It is uniform strapped on as tightly as it could be.

26:06
Yes, it was.

Brian Schulmeister 26:07
I do love the meme. dad bod. FET.

Dave Bittner 26:10
Yep. Yeah. I support this idea. I embrace it. In fact,

Jason DeFillippo 26:17
I represent it, yet another bastard. to it. Yeah. You know, I

Dave Bittner 26:24
was wondering what happened to his codpiece because he doesn't seem to have his codpiece, which I imagine would be fairly important a full suit of, of Mandalorian armor.

Brian Schulmeister 26:36
He seems to be going for the Scottish fat look, kind of the kilt on the bottom? Mm hmm.

Dave Bittner 26:43
Yeah. And he doesn't seem to have lost a step. He's he's got the old Boba Fett swagger. And he's still a good shot and all that stuff. So much like Darth Vader and Rogue One. He

Brian Schulmeister 26:53
seems to be better than he ever used to be. Now that we have better special effects and better training for the actors and all of that. Yeah, Boba Fett never kicked quite that much ass. No,

Jason DeFillippo 27:05
Robert Rodriguez didn't do the old Star Wars movies. So there's a big difference there.

Dave Bittner 27:10
Well, and I think someone made the point that in this episode, and hopefully ongoing, we're finally getting the Boba Fett that we imagined all these years that the Boba Fett, who we played with, you know, with our action figures, that his capabilities that we that we never saw in the movies in this show now. Exactly living up to his hype.

Brian Schulmeister 27:31
Now, one thing I am very curious about, because I don't believe that they did in this episode, and I'm guessing they're probably not going to. We are never going to actually hear the name of Boba Fett ship because it is problematic these days.

Dave Bittner 27:44
Oh, do you think?

Brian Schulmeister 27:46
Mm hmm. If we can't have if we can't have master and slave circuitry in our cars anymore? We certainly can't have a slave one for a good guy.

Dave Bittner 27:56
Yeah, hmm. That's interesting. I mean, I wonder because the bookies were famously enslaved in the in the you know, that's I believe that's cannon in the in the world of Star Wars. So. Hmm. I don't know. That's that's an interesting point. I I'm not sure about that. It is interesting to your point that how this appearance of Boba Fett kind of reminds us that in the original trilogy, the holy trilogy, Boba Fett is kind of he's kind of a neutral character. I mean, he's he's sided with the bad guys, but he's in it for himself. And so the the the ability for him to have this to be a good guy, as you say, That's, that's kind of interesting. It's

Brian Schulmeister 28:43
no different from Han Solo in the first movie, huh?

Jason DeFillippo 28:47
Yeah. Bobo is in it for the Benjamins. So it was Han. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, it's

Dave Bittner 28:52
gonna be interesting also to see how much are they going to casually reveal in little asides what it was like to be in the sarlacc pit and, you know, because I'm guessing that guessing there's gonna be some some fan service when it comes to that because everyone's dying to know how did you get out?

Brian Schulmeister 29:08
He's got a little Polaroid of Han Solo in carbonite taped up and slave one, you know, right.

Dave Bittner 29:14
Right. Yes, exactly. Exactly. There's

Jason DeFillippo 29:17
a little kiss and rubs it right before it takes off every time

Brian Schulmeister 29:24
a bounced check from Darth Vader, you know?

Dave Bittner 29:27
Right. It's got a rubber stamp on it that says deal altered Yeah, but I mean, all those characters are exist contemporaneously in this timeline. So john solos around Luke Skywalker is around, you know, they're all they're all out there somewhere. So that's interesting, too. Yes.

Brian Schulmeister 29:48
should be interesting. I'm very much enjoying the show. And yeah, it was it was great to have the Boba Fett we had always once imagined appear.

Jason DeFillippo 29:56
Mm hmm. I do. I do have to say that. I hope that Robert Rodriguez gets more episodes because I think this is at least second. So it's nice to see him step up, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

Dave Bittner 30:08
had a nice laugh out loud and also cheering moment when he used the missile on the back of his his backpack to take out not one but two troop ships.

Brian Schulmeister 30:21
He was aiming for the other one.

Dave Bittner 30:24
All of us who had the action figure and were disappointed that when it actually shipped, the thing did not shoot. Again, just fulfilling all of our Boba Fett fantasies like these the guys who are making this show are they are they are among us. They are they are our tribe they are. Yeah, yeah. So it's been great. I really enjoying it.

Jason DeFillippo 30:46
I was just thinking if they gave Robert Rodriguez a show, they could just call it elmen DeLorean. In the Mandalorian. Yes, just do the Spanish version of the same show. Just a little with a little less budget.

Brian Schulmeister 30:59
A lot more cleavage on the female characters.

Jason DeFillippo 31:02
See what comes back to that boob armor that Dave was so upset about?

Brian Schulmeister 31:05
Yes. No girls in space. Always remember that.

Jason DeFillippo 31:09
So speaking of space, I figured why the hell not let's just put this in here because security seemed to have gone the way of the dodo days. And I saw this just just came through my my feed and it's former is really space security chief says aliens exist. Humanity not ready. Uh, this is

Brian Schulmeister 31:30
now, given given the specialties and the, you know, the special set of tools that the Israelis usually have? I would, I would believe this more if they had, say, gotten a hold of an iPhone from somebody in NASA and broken into it and got this information. Because Because that's what they do. Well, let's be honest. So I don't know about this.

Jason DeFillippo 31:52
Yes, I mean, it's coming from the 87 year old former space security chief. But here's the other thing. I kind of tend to believe them. Because half the shit that Ben Gurion university does is out of this world, I think maybe they are communing with the aliens every day, and just getting some tips like, Oh, you need to hear what's going on in that room. I point this gadget at that light bulb, and you'll be able to hear everything, like, you know, so Yeah, go ahead.

Dave Bittner 32:19
I would love for this to be real. I have I have questions. I like First of all, so I think we need to be careful that we don't just because of this guy's former position, we really don't know what's going on with him. Like, if we check in with some of his co workers, would they say, Oh, well, you know, Hi, I'm just not the same since he took that tumble down that set of stairs. You know, he really

Brian Schulmeister 32:43
had to be pushed out of his position to be honest. Right?

Dave Bittner 32:47
Right. So we don't we don't know about that. He's 87 years old. You know, my father is almost 87 years old. And I can tell you that if he told me a story like this, I would say that's really interesting, dad. I don't think I published it in a book. But that's the other

Jason DeFillippo 33:06
thing you have to take into account is he now has a book. So yes, he's got something to sell.

Dave Bittner 33:11
Right. Right. So there's that and

Brian Schulmeister 33:14
there nuclear apocalypses. Yep.

Dave Bittner 33:17
Yeah. Well, one thing that I think goes against him is he says that US President Trump was on the verge of disclosing their existence, because if there's one thing we know about Donald Trump, he's good at keeping a secret, right.

Jason DeFillippo 33:34
See, now if he said if he could have said that, aliens have infiltrated our governments and Donald Trump is one of the aliens, I would be more apt to believe it.

Brian Schulmeister 33:43
I would also then think we have nothing to fear from these morons.

Jason DeFillippo 33:47
Yeah, exactly. All of our fears have been for not,

Dave Bittner 33:51
yeah. Well, I included a link to another article here, because there's a gentleman who if you're into these sorts of things, there's a guy named Bob Lazar, who sometimes makes the rounds. I know, he's been on Joe Rogan show a few times.

Brian Schulmeister 34:06
There's a reputable source

Dave Bittner 34:09
I mean, that I say that because that's probably the easiest place to find an extended interview with him. And he claims to have been part of the whole area 51 stuff. He has some interesting explanations of the possible alien technology that we have. And like I said, I would love for this stuff to be true. It's a lot of fun to think about. I think the notion that it's it's impossible for an organization as big as the government to keep a secret for this long is, is most likely true. So it's, it's probably not true. But I find these things to be fun. I think they're fun mental exercises, and

Brian Schulmeister 34:53
Yeah, I do. The thing for me is I stopped finding them fun as soon as I really heard about the The dark forest theory and the fact that most physicists and astronomers kind of buy into that, which is we don't hear about anything out there because you don't want to be found. Huh? Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 35:11
that sounds good back to Stephen Hawking. He's like, yeah, exactly want to meet anybody? Yes really does. Because if they have the technology to find us where it's pretty much yet

Dave Bittner 35:22
could be, could be absolutely.

Jason DeFillippo 35:25
Twilight Zone episode with the where they were taking all the humans onto the ship. And the final scene is it's a cookbook, right, right.

Dave Bittner 35:34
Which they also spoofed on The Simpsons, famously with, which is named Kang are caught which of the two aliens on some aliens on the simpson kudos and I forget their names. Again, someone's yelling at their, their, their their phone right now. I the only to put a button on this. I will say that probably 25 years ago now. When I was fresh out of college, I was working as an assistant to a friend of mine who had a video company. And he was producing a series of videos for the army. And as part of the theater, just run of the mill kind of training videos, you know, nothing, just nothing having to do with aliens. But as part of this, we were going around and we were interviewing folks at government contractor facilities. And while we were setting up to interview one gentleman, he offhandedly commented that in his prior life, he was in the Air Force, that he was one of President Nixon's Air Force One Pilots. And as such, he had been to area 51 and had seen an alien aircraft.

Brian Schulmeister 36:48
Okay, the one just casually mentioned.

Jason DeFillippo 36:51
Yeah, I

Dave Bittner 36:52
mean, somehow it came up like we were somehow someway, somehow it came up. I don't remember. Again, this is a long time ago. And I was not in a position of status on the crew where I could dig in with this guy and and say, Wait, I'm sorry, tell me more about this. You know, I was low man on the totem pole. And so I was just setting up lights and those sorts of things. But it just, you know, it's one of those funny stories you'd like this guy had no reason to, there would nothing but bad things could happen to this person for talking about this sort of thing in the environment in which he was working. Right. And I can just

Brian Schulmeister 37:27
see him later that later that night having dinner with his wife going, huh, I dropped that nugget on some kids again, you should have seen their eyes,

Dave Bittner 37:36
right? Absolutely. Yeah, that's true. And it works rolling. 25 years later, I'm retelling his story, right. So it worked. He's been he's been taking up space in my brain this whole time. But anyway, I like these things. I think there are a lot of fun. So, you know, we have all this stuff with the footage recently from all the fighter jets. And that's exactly

Jason DeFillippo 37:59
what I was gonna bring them. That stuff was pretty compelling. Pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah.

Dave Bittner 38:04
I mean, it seems like there's some. So there's that old thing about how, yes, there are UFOs there are absolutely unidentified flying objects.

Brian Schulmeister 38:13
That does not mean they're alien.

Dave Bittner 38:14
Correct. Right. That does not mean they're aliens. So it is, is it's most likely that somebody has some technology, either our military or one of our someone else around the world has something that works in a way that normal airplanes and things that fly don't work in the same way. And so that's what people are seeing. It's much more likely that that's what we're, that's what we're seeing here is some sort of advanced technology that just is classified. But, you know, it's still fun to it's fun to read these stories. I enjoy it. And it's fun to think what what if, and kind of ponder the possibilities. You know, Could these things be true or not? I think that's a fun mental exercise. All right, molder.

Jason DeFillippo 38:58
Yeah, I'm still trying to figure out who jet pack man is here in LA. We that's it. That's the latest mystery here in Los Angeles. We got again, a jet pack at like 5000 feet dicking around with planes heading into lax. And seen multiple times at like 3000 feet and 5000 feet. Well, nobody can figure out who he is.

Brian Schulmeister 39:17
He's not a great pilot. He ain't gonna be around too much longer. It's gonna be it's gonna be splattered up front of a Southwest flight, Captain smear.

Dave Bittner 39:27
And just asking for trouble. I mean, yeah, looking for attention in all the wrong ways.

Jason DeFillippo 39:32
Mm hmm. Seriously, seriously. So I do have one little bit of security here. And I just love this one because there was one line. In this article that just got caught my attention. I thought it was beautiful. It's an Ars Technica article about the iPhone zero click Wi Fi exploit that is one of the most breathtaking hacks ever, and they call it the Wi Fi packet of death exploit. This is a bad one, but it was patched before it was In the wild, but this this basically this guy figured everything out. He was on Google's Project Zero. I am beer. Did you guys cover this at all this week?

Dave Bittner 40:10
Yeah, we did. And I have a shirt along with everybody else have extended an invitation for Mr. Beard to come on the show to talk about his research. So we're hoping to get him on research Saturday. We'll see where we are in that queue or house, you know, shy or not.

Jason DeFillippo 40:26
He is but he sent him some beer it'll

Brian Schulmeister 40:29
sure he gets sure I never heard that was.

Jason DeFillippo 40:33
Yeah, yes. I bet if you actually send it it'll be actually have some some gravitas behind it. BTS and wine. He won't see that coming.

Dave Bittner 40:44
Oh, how clever. But a heck of a bit of research also very well documented research. So it I mean, it's a book, it's 30,000 words. But also quite an exploit. I mean, if you watch the videos of him demoing this, it's it is breathtaking is the right word for it. It's a biggie. And it's a good thing that that that this got discovered and patched as so far as we know before anybody used it, but who knows? update your systems folks. Update your systems.

Brian Schulmeister 41:16
Except maybe not to pick sir. Oh, God.

Dave Bittner 41:21
Oh, okay.

Jason DeFillippo 41:23
No, yeah, no, Big Sur big bad. Big Bad. Yeah, my air took a took a giant crap after that. It takes Twitter about seven seconds to load on any browser doesn't matter which one it is. That's good enough itself not such a bad thing. Uh, yeah. Well, you want to get in and out fast. It says seven seconds of anticipation that is just like, what am I gonna see? What am I gonna see? Oh, damn it.

Dave Bittner 41:49
Yeah, I put one little item in here, which is interesting little thing over on GitHub, but somebody posted. It was about a guy who came up with a way to basically de obfuscate pixelated text, and automate and automated tool for doing that. So you'll often see that folks will sort of use a standard pixelization tool to hide things like passwords, and so on and so forth. This guy's come up with an algorithm that I don't know probably gets you more than 50% of the way back to the original text.

42:25
Yeah, I'd say.

Brian Schulmeister 42:26
I'd say I tell you, man, as soon as somebody figures out how to do this with photos, there's gonna be a lot of embarrassed people out there.

Jason DeFillippo 42:35
Yeah, let's get on this Epstein photos right away.

Brian Schulmeister 42:39
Right, right. But yeah, I mean, this is just another sign that you know, you should not be dumb enough to post something like your password even pixelated anywhere.

Jason DeFillippo 42:48
Yeah, a big black box works for a reason. pdf and like the idiots who put it on the PDF, and it turns out, it's another layer that you could just remember that was

Dave Bittner 42:58
just gonna say that. That's what I was. That's what this reminds me of. Right? As long as you don't have it. Have it be a layer on there where you can just turn it off? Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 43:06
yeah, I covered my wife's face. But I guess I shouldn't have uploaded the PSD file with all the layers.

Jason DeFillippo 43:12
Yeah, what was that? What was the one that did it? It was like a government document where they redacted a bunch of stuff. And they just basically did a layered PDF that you could just turn off. Right. And there was another

Dave Bittner 43:23
video. Yeah, it was another one. I want to say back in the 90s. Where there was a well known. I want to say it was like one of the the women who worked at Tech TV or something and she had a she had a photo of herself that Oh, yes,

Jason DeFillippo 43:37
yes, that was Cat. Cat. Okay.

Dave Bittner 43:40
her shoulders. But the original was not cropped to her shoulders and she was topless. And the preview image from Photoshop had the whole image.

Jason DeFillippo 43:49
Yep, that was cat. I remember that. Okay. That was it. That was that was a great day. Great Day.

Brian Schulmeister 44:02
The enjoyment of others misfortune.

Dave Bittner 44:05
Yes. All right. Well, there it is.

Jason DeFillippo 44:10
She was shooting. I mean, I don't think it really messed her up that much. I did. I do a lot of people at Tech TV at the same time. She's like, Yeah, whatever. It's just it's

Dave Bittner 44:17
Yeah, yeah. Now but a cautionary tale cautionary tale. Yeah. All right, gentlemen. Well, good talking to you. We will check in next time.

Brian Schulmeister 44:30
Right.

Jason DeFillippo 44:33
I take it that was your attempt at the Xbox.

Brian Schulmeister 44:35
I couldn't My lips are so dry from the heat near I couldn't whistle

Jason DeFillippo 44:42
be hydrated I need to be hydrated.

Dave Bittner 44:45
Right. Next weekend security Hmm, the Loch Ness Monster?

Brian Schulmeister 44:51
Oh man, I'm so gonna be searching for stories.

Jason DeFillippo 44:54
Brian is now officially in search of I

Brian Schulmeister 44:57
found a de pixelated image of the Loch Ness Monster.

Dave Bittner 45:01
Here we go. begins. This is, this is how this is how new podcasts are spawned, right?

Brian Schulmeister 45:09
You'd know Dave, you know?

Dave Bittner 45:10
Yeah, I would, I would bite my tongue bite my tongue. Alright guys, let's

45:17
see. media can be

Jason DeFillippo 45:26
right and I watched Tennant this week

Brian Schulmeister 45:29
in the theater because they held on to that one forever to put it in a theater. Yeah, that

Jason DeFillippo 45:33
didn't really work out well for him did it? Well, I watched it and oh my god. I can't I can't catch a break, man. I can't catch a break. I can't find anything good. This was terrible. Yeah, this is Christopher Nolan. also getting too much money in too little oversight. Misa think he has George Lucas, this is George Lucas the Jar Jar. Because this was bad. I had

Brian Schulmeister 46:00
I've had people flat out tell me it was bad. And then I've had people tell me it was amazing. But it took like 25 minutes of justification and made up stuff that you had to kind of explain or basically make up in your own head create a whole different story based on his story to make a decent and that's not a good movie.

Jason DeFillippo 46:18
Oh, no, in even when they're explaining the premise of the whole thing. The girl scientist who is trying to explain it to the protagonist says don't try and think about it too much. Just go with it. Okay, don't just like, Okay, if that's how you're gonna like, you know, fill your plot with this really ridiculously stupid idea. It I know what he did he he wrote this movie around the cool effect in his head that he wanted to get on film. But it did not land. He did not stick the landing at all.

Brian Schulmeister 46:51
Yeah, trying to base your entire movie on a visual sequence or a title because a lot of people do that, too. There's a bunch of movies where you can tell they came up with the title and they just tried to make a movie based on it. Yep. never a good idea.

Jason DeFillippo 47:03
No, I used to Don't waste your time. It's two and a half hours long. It was in? Yeah, it was not. It was so transparent. They should just call the transparent But anyway, I want to put out a few reminders to our fans and fellow nerds. The expanse season five is December 16, which really upset me because I thought it was December 6 and I'm scouring Amazon got Where is it? And yeah, I forgot the one. I forgot to carry the one. So December 16. For the expanse season five in the Grand Tour presents a massive hunt is December 18.

Brian Schulmeister 47:37
Clever, clever. Well, I know you're looking for something to watch. And if you like your holiday eggnog shaken and not stirred you're in luck right now YouTube is streaming 19 James Bond films for free. The site is allowing users in the US but Gog dot show slash VPN and Bob's your uncle.

Jason DeFillippo 47:54
Yep. Welcome to the United States, my friend. Yes, he's in customs.

Brian Schulmeister 47:59
And you can go back in watch the Sean Connery, George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton and pierce Bronson James Bond films so they don't do have any of the new ones because those are through Sony. And this deal has been done with MGM, which has all the older ones. So you can just go to youtube.com slash watch bond. Pretty cool way to spend the holidays actually.

Jason DeFillippo 48:18
Yeah, you like watching reruns? There you go.

Brian Schulmeister 48:20
There you go. And speaking of Christmas movies, the Grinch, there is a 2018 animated remake that I was kind of unaware of. And I wanted to I didn't my kid wanted to watch the Grinch. I didn't want to watch the old one because it just feels old. Right? And I don't know, it's a perfect classic for me and you but for him, you know, he's not used to that kind of animation and that weirdness yet. So the 2018 version animated I also didn't want him to watch the Jim Carrey one because that probably freaked him out and basically freaked me out too. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 48:54
it was brilliant that

Brian Schulmeister 48:55
Yeah, so that there is a 2018 animated version. We watched it. It was awesome. And I was googling it for the show notes and when I discovered that apparently you cannot watch it in the US on Netflix. They pulled it December 4

Jason DeFillippo 49:10
well that's a Grinch

Brian Schulmeister 49:14
so that's a crazy because like it's a really it's actually a very good version. I will say that the theme song the remake of the theme song by by I can't even remember who did who did the the war the big hat feral forever.

Jason DeFillippo 49:26
Forever. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 49:27
the remake of The Grinch song is horrific. It is an abomination. Thank God it should have never

Jason DeFillippo 49:32
been allowed to exist. You had me scared there for a second I'm like a the original theme was perfect. And when he said forever, I'm like, there's no way that that guy could do a chest. So I'm glad

Brian Schulmeister 49:43
that's true. No, I there was I mean the stuff that he did for the minions was fantastic. But

Jason DeFillippo 49:49
you get that deep voice he does not have that deep voice he just destroy

Brian Schulmeister 49:52
and no and the god the music, the music. It makes me want to pull my ears out. I want to rip eardrums out and stomp on them when I hear his version of the Grinch, other than that really good movie. Very well done.

Jason DeFillippo 50:08
Besides that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? Yes,

Brian Schulmeister 50:11
exactly. So if you are in the US and you want to watch it with your kids as you should, once again Gog dot show slash VPN, and the Grinch is your uncle. So check that out. And keeping on the kids thing, because and I just love the way this article was written the best 2020 Christmas episodes from toddler shows, and I will just read this verbatim because this encapsulates a pandemic Christmas with kids. What are the best Christmas episodes a mega popular toddler shows? What about kid shows that are just okay, but also have Christmas specials your kid Can't Get Enough. Enough of What's that you say? Your kid only watches one show repeatedly to the point where you can recite the episodes you used to enjoy in your sleep. Good news. There's a holiday episode of your kid's favorite show call it a holiday treat because in 20 TV specials counts as an activity you are being a fun parent use it as an incentive for good behavior or throw it off to defuse a meltdown but it's time to add a little bourbon to your coffee and curl up for some guilt free TV sees no merriment There you go. Very true. So link in the show notes it's got all the big kids shows and the special Christmas episodes that they have. It will be an invaluable resource to those of you trying not to kill your kid before Christmas

51:21
upset do that

Brian Schulmeister 51:24
I stumbled across this article over on Gizmodo and I didn't think two seconds about it just because I thought it was a little bit funny but then I realized that there are insane audio files on our discord and I wanted to upset them all. So this is

Jason DeFillippo 51:41
also off the fan.

Brian Schulmeister 51:43
I think I think it's just really funny because I was never a big believer in spending a ton of money on cables and this is an audio file death patch between monster cables the most expensive cables known to man versus a coat hanger. Whether or not monster cables are worth it is a war that has raged since home theaters and memorial and a poster an audio holics was put in a room with five fellow audio files and a Martin Logan SL three speakers set at 75 decibels at 1000 kilohertz playing a mix of smooth trio Easy Listening jazz. Yeah. Which is sounds horrible. It sounds that

Jason DeFillippo 52:19
sounds like get mo that's what they do the people that get mo that no

Brian Schulmeister 52:23
one had heard before in one corner, the monster 1000 speaker cables and another quarter for coat hangers twisted and soldered onto a speaker cable. seven songs were played while the group was blindfolded and the cable swapped back and forth. No one could tell the difference. So now one would argue getting five coat hangers soldering them together yourself and putting them into a speaker cable probably in terms of time, you might as well just go by the monster cable. My argument would be just the standard cables will work just fine.

Jason DeFillippo 52:55
Probably probably now that I understand that monsters are just ridiculously overpriced. And I do have I mentioned this last week too. I think I when you're dealing with podcasting and XLR cables, spend the extra money, because cheap cables will ruin your day. So anyway, moving on. I got this one from friend of the show Amex v. It's called Marvis Pro, the $5 and 99 cent app for your iPhone and your iPad. And what it is it's a new front end to Apple Music. Alright, so if you use Apple Music, you basically just download this link to your account and you can scramble on last FM as well through it. why anybody would want to do that in the day and age? I don't know. But some people do. I got it, because I'm an Apple Music guy. Now. It dawned on me I haven't actually synced my library yet. So I started doing that last night. And it's taking quite some time because I have a very large music library. And it turns out that you know that remember, iTunes Match and all that crap that you could never use with the 20,000 songs destroyed

Brian Schulmeister 54:07
me from Apple Music forever. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 54:09
yeah. Seems to be built in now. And mine's just chugging away, loading stuff up. The one thing that you have to do and I'm going to give this to you as a pro tip, make sure that you turn off save local files. Before you do this, before you import your entire library into Apple Music and start sinking it because I woke up this morning to a plethora of notifications saying your disk is full your disk is full your disk is full, this app won't work, this app won't work, this app won't work because you got no disk space. So because I only have a 64 gigabyte phone. Unfortunately my music library is 175 gigabytes. So that didn't work out too well for me this morning. But you can it's a it's a few easy fixes unlike a computer. Fortunately, the iPhone is smart enough to not brick itself when you run out of disk space. It's got a little bit more intelligence than your average PC. But yeah, but for 599 it's actually a pretty decent interface. So far. I'm still playing around with it, but it's due because Apple Music, the app is just, you know, a dumpster fire.

Brian Schulmeister 55:14
Yeah. So that show has totally sailed for me. I mean, at some point, at this at the rate, I'm going right now, maybe when I'm at, I'll sit down and reconstruct my actual music library. But at this point, I just use Spotify. I've given I've given up

Jason DeFillippo 55:31
minds constructed. And now I can make playlists with all the stuff that I want to listen to, because I swear to God, I pay so much money for all these damn services. And if I can't turn on my phone, pull up the cure in here killing an Arab, then technology has failed me. So this is this is my this is my breakthrough because

Brian Schulmeister 55:48
I can't epically technically society has failed you. That's true. That's true.

Jason DeFillippo 55:55
As a whole assholes, so it seems to work so far. Oh, and I had this later in the notes, but I'll bring it in. Now. Since we're talking about Apple. Apple plus fitness is launching December 14. So state Yeah, no, I am. I've got it. I'm paying for that whole super package, which is why I've got Apple Music, and Apple Music plus and Apple news plus, and it I got more fucking pluses than a goddamn calculator. But I'm looking forward to this one to see how it works. Because I got I got my space set up. I've actually been doing yoga. Literally, you're not lucky at yoga. But I do it because I'm old and I don't want to die. The only reason to do yoga, and I thought this one I thought you get a kick out of this one, Brian because this is service at its best. This is Amazon. It most of the time you do an Amazon return. you hand it over to the UPS guy they scan it, you get your refund automatically, right. Easy, breezy, beautiful, CoverGirl. So I had to return a major well, USB capture SDI USB 3.0 HD video capture dongle model, blah, blah, blah, SDI, because I wanted USB and they gave me SDI or I want an HDMI to USB. Okay, but I don't know what SDI is like, you know, codecs thing, whatever. It was $327.41. I returned it on February 23. I actually know I returned it on March 1.

Brian Schulmeister 57:21
All right. Because we're locked down.

Jason DeFillippo 57:24
I yes, I ordered it on February 27. Got it on the 28th. I returned it on the first because it was the wrong thing. This week, I got an email saying you have been issued your refund on December 3. I'd forgotten about it because I just assumed they had done it. And here's the here's the real shit part. So I paid $327.41 for this thing. And they gave me a refund of $261.93. That's kind of bullshit. That's kind of a bullshit restocking fee is what that is? Because it was exactly as they sent it to me

Brian Schulmeister 58:01
10 months later.

Jason DeFillippo 58:03
Exactly. I mean, like, okay, so they dinged me on that they probably like earned interest on the money while they had it. Yeah, yeah, this is I should I should have name shamed the the outfit that sold that to me through Amazon, but that would have been effort. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 58:20
Who has time for that?

Jason DeFillippo 58:21
Yeah. I do have time for a new app, though. Have you heard of clubhouse? Brian?

Brian Schulmeister 58:26
No. I hadn't either.

Jason DeFillippo 58:29
It's apparently the new hotness with the kids.

Brian Schulmeister 58:31
Oh, great. Here's the thing. It's invite I watch somebody trimming their cats but hair on it.

Jason DeFillippo 58:37
You cannot you know, why? Can I let's do it? Yes, you can. It is all audio. So what it is, is it's like I said it's invite only Oprah's on there too. So you can maybe you can someday find Oprah. But these influencers, weight rooms, and then it's basically a conversation and it's live real time talking to each other.

Brian Schulmeister 58:59
I got an invite to this like a month ago. Check it out.

Jason DeFillippo 59:03
It's actually really fun. I was on it last night in some of the podcasting rooms and just a bunch of different rooms and actually learned a bunch of stuff. I was like, shit, this was unexpected. like actual knowledgeable people are in there sharing tips and tricks and secrets. And I was like, Huh, I don't know. So I had to Jessica torque from teachable for hooking me up with an invite and turning me on to it. She's like, Hey, are you on clubhouse? I'm like, What the hell's that? She's like, here, listen here, old man. And she was nice enough to give me an invite. So it's, it's kind of neat. I gotta say, if you've got an invite hop on in man. There's some fun stuff. There's a lot of music business people in there too. Already. Oh, yeah. Go. Yeah. All right.

59:53
The library.

Brian Schulmeister 59:57
I'll just do this really quick. I finished ready play. Too by Ernest Cline over the last week. I know we talked about it a bit last week. And I guess we'll call this the crap down effect. Since I heard how awful this book was before getting more than a bit of the weigh in. I will agree it was awful, but not nearly as bad as I was expecting it to be. So yeah, you guys, you guys all shitting on the book actually made it better for me.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:21
Isn't that a great effect is a great effect. I

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:23
didn't mind the ending. I thought it was okay. You know, you know feelings of Baba verse. It's not great, but it was not good as you'd like to say it was not go die in a fire bad for me. Having said that, though, I do not believe I will ever read an Ernest Cline book ever again.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:41
pretty much done, right?

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:42
Yeah, I'm done with him as an author because our motto was horrid. And this just wasn't good. And he's just not a good writer.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:49
That's the biggest problem. It's poorly written. Yep,

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:51
he had a he had a genius idea that was executed well enough at the right time with Ready Player One to capture the Zeitgeist. And that's it.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:00
Yep. Do you have to say though Earth by David Brin that's that's it right? Yep. Yeah, fucking great book is so good. And here's the here's the difference. well written,

Brian Schulmeister 1:01:12
yes. This is just the best story. When you think of victims of the covid 19 pandemic your mind probably doesn't immediately leap to Yankee Candle. No, it doesn't somehow in the pocket of big Yankee Of course. However, a group of internet investigators has taken a hard look at the data and it would appear that Yankee Candle has been hit hard because they're getting a bunch of one star ratings of their reviews of scented candles because people can't smell them because they have COVID. Now you might think this is just a combination thing. This

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:48
is a perfect storm.

Brian Schulmeister 1:01:49
This is a perfect storm. It's unbelievable. People are going crazy giving one star reviews saying the candles are crap. They have no fragrance, whatever. And I love the some of the responses. You've got the Rona Karen,

Jason DeFillippo 1:02:02
that's the best. I think that should be shown as a good title.

Brian Schulmeister 1:02:07
And there there actually there is hard data about this and I credit where credit is due internet sleuth Kate Petrova and she has graphs she's gone deeply into this and I highly recommend everybody go to our show notes Gog dot show slash whatever episode this is for. Because the graphs are amazing. She has detailed a time graphs timelines of when the reviews started, she's done unscented candles versus scented candles as a comparison. So you can see that there is some real connection here between when Coronavirus hit and the reviews. It's unbelievable. It's fucking hilarious. And it's it's it's just one of those wonderful things that have come out of a horrible situation.

Jason DeFillippo 1:02:50
She's doing Yankee tracing. It's great. But the Yankee, I mean that that says it all right. I'm ordering a big Yankee Candle. I'm in denial about the COVID. Yay, Trump, and why can I smell anything?

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:10
Because I'm in a brand new house. And like I said, doing kind of everything from scratch. I'm trying to figure out lighting and all that sort of stuff. And I just stumbled across this resource. It's actually fantastic. Now normally, we like to crap on life hacker here. But this is a pretty good compilation of information about how to pick the best light bulb for every room. And it's not even just light bulb, they get into fixtures, what works, what kind of mood you're trying to set? What kind of room is it? What's the point of the room, get the right lighting for it. And you know, when I go to Home Depot now or Lowe's or whatever, and I'm standing in front of 7000 different kinds of light bulbs. It's not like the old days where, huh 60 or 100? No, there are about 7000 choices and light bulbs is actually very helpful because I was overwhelmed the other day looking at light. So yeah, it's a good little resource, I highly recommend checking it out. You know, even if you've your house has already done if you're thinking about just changing lighting or not a fan of what you've got going on right now. This is a great resource. I really is.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:10
No, this looks fantastic. And I love that they actually give a breakdown of how many lumens you should have in each room. Yep. That's actually pretty cool. Although I think they're a little low on the bathroom. I think they I think he did a little. You need a little more lumens in the bathroom.

Brian Schulmeister 1:04:25
Well, that's just because you'd like to report on your bowel movements and need to see everything the rest of us are okay. And then substandard lighting.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:32
That's gross.

Brian Schulmeister 1:04:33
That's gross. That's how you man I

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:35
just like to see my face when I moisturize make sure I'm getting all my pores. Hmm.

Brian Schulmeister 1:04:38
Of course. And this last story I just loved as well. My kid is super into volcanoes so like space and volcanoes and natural disasters every morning is like what's the Space News Dad? Let's see volcano news dad and there's never any fucking volcano news unless an actual fucking volcanoes exploded. But I was surprised the other day when this came up in my feed and I showed it to him and he he loved it this time. GoPro camera recorded self being swallowed by lava and survived to tell the tale. So yeah, this guy Eric storm talks about nominative determinism. The lead guide of kilowatt eco guides, places GoPro down in the small crevasse to try and get some footage of a volcano and lava flow and lava suddenly flowed out of the crack unexpectedly in the position that he was in and totally engulfed his camera which was in a protective casing at the time. You can see all of the footage now the camera didn't so much survive great, but the SD card certainly did. So you can see the footage. It's online link in the show notes. It's pretty cool.

Jason DeFillippo 1:05:37
Oh, check that out. I wonder what kind of case you got. It's probably not an OtterBox

Brian Schulmeister 1:05:42
I don't know man. My wife puts that otter box on our phone through everything.

Jason DeFillippo 1:05:45
Yeah, that's true. Those things are pretty damn good. But they are plastic. I haven't gotten a titanium OtterBox

Brian Schulmeister 1:05:52
the footage is pretty awesome. It's worth checking out.

Robert Fogarty 1:05:56
feedback loop.

Jason DeFillippo 1:05:59
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Brian Schulmeister 1:06:11
Another good stock trade thanks Martin. over Twitter gwydion sends us a link from the BBC machine gun with AI used to kill Iran scientist and grabbed a little selection for us. Iran's description appeared to be little more than a collection of cool buzzwords designed to suggest that only a surprisingly mighty force could possibly have succeeded.

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:34
In Jacko rights and remember Johnny mnemonic starts in 2021

Brian Schulmeister 1:06:41
ma 6502 says haven't read the high rise book but did see the movie. It's really something and apparently on YouTube, he provides a link and it looks like amazon music is following in Spotify footsteps don't remember seeing a podcast tab there before.

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:54
Yep, we'll cover that on the show. You can put your podcasts in amazon music now. And we're not there because they've had or have I don't know if they got rid of it or not because I really don't care enough to check because nobody's ever gonna listen. They had a no disparagement agreement in their POS TLS.

Brian Schulmeister 1:07:12
We just encourage Amazon every episode.

Jason DeFillippo 1:07:15
Exactly. And Travis writes in you might have seen this in the past but accurate and this is a screencap of a tweet, or an Instagram. I don't know which one anymore because they all look the same. It says I saw a girl post or Spotify top artists on her Instagram story with the caption so accurate. like yeah, it's accurate. It's literally data.

1:07:37
So good.

Brian Schulmeister 1:07:40
Barrett writes in over on GOG dot show really looking forward to having this option. And this is from deadline amazon fire tv ads, local news and 12 US cities with 90 more coming in 2021. He says we cut the cable in 2014. But our leaf antenna that we have in our kitchen just doesn't get the reception as our main TV, of course, all about location. And by the way, for other cable cutters, I use this page watch news live.tv gonna check all those out because I have no cable here right now I'm doing my grand experiment cable cutting and have no access to local news. So that's cool.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:13
Oh, grab one of those antennas if you don't have one. You're pretty good.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:16
Yeah, that's how I watched. But I want local news from LA to like I wanted

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:21
Oh, that's not technically local news for you.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:25
Wow, locally ish.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:28
Okay, and Matt buck writes in Chinese quantum supremacy 2.5 billion years in 200 seconds. And this has been making the rounds, China claims to have achieved quantum supremacy in one of their major breakthroughs. And this is using a different type of photonic based quantum computing. And, yeah, there's a little bit of back and forth with this one. But the problem is it can do one task and then you can't really just like, drop in new code. It's like physically based so it's kind of a big pain in the butt. But it's, it's, you know, people are making headway with this tool, you know, create a black hole and swallow the earth, which would be just like,

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:09
David Brin.

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:10
Yes. This would be fantastic. Right about now. This is what the you know, the way to roll in 2021 is just to suck the earth into a giant black hole. Perfect. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:19
so Google was first but the Chinese researchers are claiming their prototype was 10 billion times faster than Google's machine according to their state run news agency. Keep in mind, our state run news agency says Trump won the election

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:32
is that this is going to be a game of leapfrog for a lone

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:36
Highlander writes in his if you don't have enough to worry about about beware of the COVID COC and addressing male sexual and reproductive health in the wake of covid 19 outbreak and this is a recent study this basically found out that if you have had COVID-19, you and your male, I mean, obviously, you're probably at risk of getting erectile dysfunction. Now, if there's ever been a reason for us to tackle the problem, it is this seems to be the only thing that gets people to do anything.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:03
Like I said a better headline would have been don't get the Rona. If you want to have a bona Look at you, God no, it would have been perfect. Have it perfect. Tim writes in a couple episodes ago, Brian mentioned long German words. He might like what Samuel Clemens had to say about the subject if he hasn't seen it before. And this is a post at Georgetown. edu called the awful German language.

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:26
It was great. So I particularly liked a little bit some German words are so long that they have a perspective observe these examples and then there's some very very long words I'm not even gonna attempt right now because people will crap on me for it. And he says,

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:40
frightened shaft designed to get human.

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:43
Yeah, close, close. And he says these things are not words. They are alphabetical processions, and they are not rare. One could open a German newspaper at any time and see them marching majestically across the page. And if he has any imagination, you can see the banners and hear the music to the part of Marshall thrilled. So the biggest subject I take a great interest in these curiosities. I love the German language for that the compound words are phenomenal.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:06
Yeah, it's better than if I like a better than Welsh.

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:11
And Barrett writes in here thought you might enjoy this drone footage of the collapse of the Arecibo. I just went from trying to do the German to go into that and it did not work at all at acebo Exactly. So the NSF released footage, there's some footage from us steadycam and then as well as a very quick drone operator who would manage to turn around and catch it in time the footage is pretty awesome, but very

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:38
awesome, but the drone pilot needs to be fired man. He's like turned the camera the wrong way when it was going down. But ya know, the footage was really fun. It was really fun. Sad but fun. Let me let me let me recast over an iTunes we have a a review from Brazil from give dark mode please. And it's titled good podcast. It's a good podcast. Seriously, though, it's a great weekly podcast featuring two charismatic hosts. They keep you up to date with the latest news in geek culture and the tech world as well as a little bit of politics sometimes. Well, thank you give dark mode

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:15
please. I'm trying to figure out what is the give dark mode please the name an actual request to Apple or to us because I figure we're always in dark mode. We

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:27
dark is the mode we are in the inside. So that's the mode we are in the outside darkness

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:31
the boat. We were on the outside. That's right. If you want your question or comment right on the show, head over to Gog dot show slash contact and send us your feedback or questions that we can read on the air. And if you're so inclined, please head over to Gog dot show slash review and toss us a five star and snarky review. And if you think about it, and you're using overclass, click the little star next to the episode. We're This is Jason's copy. We're totally off the recommended list now which blows monkey balls.

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:58
I didn't know if you're gonna read it or not. I

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:00
thought I figured why not? closing shout out to Chuck Yeager, the US Air Force officer who first broke the speed of sound who passed away the other day at 97. That guy was a baller. He was

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:17
such a baller.

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:18
Yeah, and the crazy thing is, like very few people actually knew anything about them until the right stuff was made. Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:25
Also a fantastic movie for Christmas, if you want to go watch them. That's true. That's true. Yeah, great movie. And a big shout out to Tim it down in Australia who sent me a copy of Junior Master Chef, the final episode that I didn't get to see because you bastard in Sweden, didn't actually upload the finale. So he hooked me up. And we watched it on Saturday. And my roommate and I were very happy to have closure. So thank you so much. And I tried to get his address and send them some swag. And he said No, man, it's cool. I just like the show. So that's a true fan. Thank you. And an anti shout out to Steve Wilson. Most people who listen to podcasts have no idea who Steve Wilson is. He used to work at Apple. And now he works for a company called q code. And Steve held podcasters by the balls for almost 15 years. And you could not get a promotion. Just anything without going through him. And if he

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:19
did not even jiggle,

Jason DeFillippo 1:14:20
nothing. Nothing couldn't get a squeeze nothing. And you know if there are people that have been yelling at me about Oh, don't get so down on Steve. He was just doing his job. Well, I would like to point out one very specific time where Steve, who is a fan of the show the dollop? Well, Steve got tickets to go see the dollop live in San Francisco magically that day. From well they were placed around 175 on the iTunes top charts. For podcasts back then we call them iTunes back then back in our day, and they magically got to number one just in time for their live performance in San Francisco.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:59
I wonder That happens, Steve.

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:01
Yeah, yeah. So Steve, welcome to Hollywood. And I see you on the street, cross it. Until next time, Jason defilippo.

Brian Schulmeister 1:15:10
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