Paying to gig; ADA lawsuits; FTC wants social media firms to explain themselves, sues Facebook for monopolization; dynamic difficulty adjustments in sports games; Stripchat; Pornhub purge; the Silicon Valley Texodus; Hawaii is for tech villians; searching for You; Star Wars lore & Operation:Cinder with Furry Jr; SolarWinds hack; Star Trek data; Heaven’s Gate; the Queen’s Gambit; Big Sur update; Chrome is bad; trying Safari; Apple’s ridiculous AirPods Max; AI translation; white supremecists take ancestry tests, hilarity ensues; Zodiac Killer cipher cracked; Solar system superhighways; feedback.

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Show Notes

FOLLOW UP

I Paid $250 To Drive For Lyft Last Year

IN THE NEWS

FTC kicks off sweeping privacy probe of nine major social media firms

FTC Sues Facebook for Illegal Monopolization

Facebook Kowtowed to Conservatives and Got Nothing in Return

A New Lawsuit Exemplifies an Existential Debate in Sports Video Games

Stripchat’s AI-powered ‘anal-ytics’ helped it reach nearly 1B new users in 2020

Pornhub Just Purged All Unverified Content From the Platform

Oracle is headed to Texas now, too

Tech billionaire Larry Ellison has moved to Hawaii

Take a tour of Mark Zuckerberg’s gigantic $100 million property in Hawaii

Former Salesforce chief scientist announces new search engine to take on Google

Get on the You.com Waitlist

SECURITY HAH!

The CyberWire

Dave Bittner

Hacking Humans

Caveat

The Casual Star Wars Fan’s Guide to “Operation: Cinder”

U.S. Agencies Hacked in Foreign Cyber Espionage Campaign Linked to Russia

Kim Zetter has a nice explainer thread

MEDIA CANDY

I finished watching Star Trek TNG and decided to double down on being a nerd and analyze the scripts over the 7 seasons.

Joe Rogan Fan’s Learn How Shitty Spotify Is

Heaven’s Gate: The Cult of Cults | HBO Max Originals

The Queen’s Gambit

APPS & DOODADS

Is Chrome Killing Your MacBook?

Chrome is Bad

WD 4TB My Passport Ultra for Mac Silver Portable External Hard Drive, USB-C – WDBPMV0040BSL-WESN

Apple announces its AirPods Max — a $550 pair of over-ear headphones

The AirPods Max case is an abomination and an insult

How to Use ProRAW on Your iPhone 12 Pro

Otter Transcription

MORON OF THE WEEK

White Supremacists Taking Ancestry Tests Aren’t Happy About The Results

BRIC-A-BRAC

Zodiac Killer cipher is cracked after eluding sleuths for 51 years

Solar System ‘superhighway’ could speed up space travel

FEEDBACK LOOP

One of the best Trump deep fake videos ever! – Cheyenne 9’s Coverage of the Official White House Address

ComplyFoam

Ontarian Leaves Package Of Poop On Porch & It Apparently Got Stolen Only 40 Mins Later

Rage Industries

Rage Industries Local News Report

The Break Room

Battle Sports Rage Room

Bad Sex in Fiction Award Is Canceled, as 2020 Was Bad Enough

CLOSING SHOUT-OUTS

TOMMY ‘TINY’ LISTER DEAD AT 62

Microsoft Misfit Helped Lead Company Into Game Market

John le Carré, Best-Selling Author of Cold War Thrillers, Dies at 89

 

Robert Fogarty 0:02
grumpy old geeks a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo. Discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet. And who's to blame.

Jason DeFillippo 0:16
Welcome to grumpy old geeks. I'm Jason defilippo.

Brian Schulmeister 0:19
And I'm Brian shield Meister. Jason, I have got what is relatively typical for people to get when they are in sub 30 degree weather with rain and snow a bit of a sniffle in COVID times. I might as well be a leper right now.

Jason DeFillippo 0:34
Oh, yeah. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 0:35
you can't be going out like that. No, no, no, no, I

Brian Schulmeister 0:38
have been locked down at home even though I just had sniffle for like one day and yeah, I'm not going anywhere. No, no, no. And you just shut everything down. Right? Because Better safe than sorry. So no, not going to see the in laws not doing nothing. Just staying at home and trying to stay away even from the family in my own home right now. Just because we can't be too careful.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01
No, you can't. No, you can't. And I we talked about this on the show before it's like I have allergies and in the mornings here in LA like anybody with allergies. It's just a sniffle fest. Yep. You know, and you kind of have to ride it out before you can put your mask on and go to the grocery store. Otherwise, you might just get shoved in the frozen food section.

Brian Schulmeister 1:19
Yeah, yeah. So good times. Actually, I actually think it might even just be allergies because it's very specific. And it's usually only in the morning but again, you know, be the good guy. Be safe. Be like Bob, as the names go.

Jason DeFillippo 1:34
Yeah, I think I think what people need to realize right now, at least in LA what I'm trying to get people to understand is there are two different reasons to leave the house. One is you want to leave the house you want to go see family, you want to go see friends, you want to go do something really fucking stupid. Then on the other hand, there's need to leave the house you need food you need toilet paper, you need baby formula. Do not confuse the two if you want to go outside fucking don't if you need to go outside Do it carefully do it quickly and get the fuck back home.

Brian Schulmeister 2:08
There you go. So part of my just sitting around at home thing has been obviously it's Christmas season and we're all trying to cheer each other up. It's been Christmas for quite some time for a lot of us

Jason DeFillippo 2:18
basically has been Yes. For seven months.

Brian Schulmeister 2:21
So I've been having the lady in the to play, you know, just basically just saying lady in the to play us some Christmas classics. And, you know, a bit of eggnog and some some, you know, a bit of a going crazy stir stir brain from being at home and not doing anything else. I got to thinking the other night. What I what really hit me and you know, because we have ladies in the tube now and you can say lady in the tube. When was this song recorded all the Christmas classics that we listen to. For listeners that are about our age, they were brand new songs for our parents. Hmm. Now that's really true. And it's a mindfuck think about it. Okay, and then I did a deep dive like I went to the Wikipedia of Christmas music and all that. It was basically just religious songs up until right around 1940 maybe the 30s is when the first couple songs really started to be recorded. But you got your Bing Crosby's and all that. Every single song that we hear what do you say? Play Christmas classics. And we think that these songs have been around forever. They were brand new when our parents were kids. They were hearing those songs for the first time they had never been recorded before. Not tell me that's not a mindfuck

Jason DeFillippo 3:33
that is crazy. Crazy. When did Oh tanenbaum come out? Oh, German friend.

Brian Schulmeister 3:37
I don't know that one specifically. That's probably a bit more of a classic one. But certainly the recordings that we know very well about them. Were probably brand new for our parents. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 3:48
Yeah. Especially like, you know, Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer guessing that's not an Old Norse tradition. No,

Brian Schulmeister 3:54
definitely not. I believe that was an advertising jingle originally, actually. Sadly. So there you go. And I wanted to give a quick reminder to all the folks out there listening. If you're not a Patreon subscriber, I don't know if we ever really mentioned it. We certainly never push it on the show. But we will right now. Just a reminder of what you get, you usually get early access to the episodes depending on our recruiting and Jason.

Brian Schulmeister 4:19
They are ad free so and you can stream those into your players as you wish you'll get a link for that. So you know, it's a little plus and you know, help us out for the holidays. There you go.

Jason DeFillippo 4:31
Yeah, it's it's literally the least we could do. Yes. As soon as I as soon as I put the show into publish, because they come out at midnight, usually when we're ahead of time, which hopefully we are more often than not, especially lately, then. Yeah, they come out immediately on Patreon. I just I put it in I hit post and then I move on to the rest of the stuff. So and yes, ad free. Yes. Now a little follow up here. I thought this one was pretty funny. This is over at Jalopnik. It says I paid $250 to drive for Lyft Last year, and he breaks down his operating costs. And you know what he basically paid in taxes and reimbursements and all that stuff. But it basically I said, My car is now essentially worthless. But I knew that was a possibility as a full time driver, and yeah, he technically played about $250 to work. Yep. How's

Brian Schulmeister 5:17
that economy working out for everybody?

Jason DeFillippo 5:20
But the previous year, he did make $5,000. So he

Brian Schulmeister 5:23
did you know, that's a Yeah, yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 5:26
byli. Big, big money. No. whammies. And Brian, do you remember the Domino's lawsuit that we talked about with the ADA and the Americans with Disabilities Act and goodness? Yeah, well, you know, cute predatory lawsuits. Now. I put some stuff in the show notes here just for you. So you could see the letter that my friend got from an attorney. And basically what they do now is they send out scrapers to websites for mom and pop shops. This guy doesn't have a it's not a big company that he has. But they send these things out there and then they say, Okay, well, you're not in line with the ADA. We're going to come after you. And you need to pay us money. That's the type of stuff it is not even like anybody with disabilities that that's looking at this. They're robots robots are going out and doing this shit. And here's the really fucked up part. So my friend site is hosted on weebly. It's a drag and drop builder done by square, you know, they have no access to the source code on weebly. Mm hmm. My friend called Weebly and we believe like, we believe that you'd be fucked, because we ain't gonna change ship for you. Yeah, so now my friend is in the process of weeble wobbling his way out of weebly. And because if you can't fix it, and he's gonna get sued, and it's, you know, I think the basics are like 50 to $75,000 dings alright. Yeah. So it's just this predatory bullshit. And I looked up this attorney, he's a total douchebag. Down in San Diego. Yeah. And I'm sure that there's going to be lots and lots of these people. What's this guy's name? I just say his name. Why not? Actually, you know what? It's the holidays. And I don't feel like dealing with douchebags.

Brian Schulmeister 7:10
I'm not gonna say, like getting a letter from them personally.

Jason DeFillippo 7:14
Yeah, me either.

Brian Schulmeister 7:15
If this guy's already gonna pursue this kind of crap. Look at, you know, smart companies. And smart lawyers would make an immediate partnership with web design development companies and say, we can either sue you for this amount of money, or you can hire our friend here to fix your site for you at the low cost of $50,000.

Jason DeFillippo 7:33
Exactly. Or 49 999. Exactly.

Brian Schulmeister 7:38
Earl Scheib, the web development company,

Jason DeFillippo 7:41
will save you $1. So yeah, keep your eye out for this people. It's it's out there and it is complete and utter bullshit.

Brian Schulmeister 7:49
Relatively sure Gog dot show is not ADA compliant.

Jason DeFillippo 7:52
Pretty sure we can fix it. If we are though, if we aren't,

Brian Schulmeister 7:55
you know, because we have a WordPress site.

Jason DeFillippo 7:58
We have a WordPress site, we have access to source code, these drag and drop builders, they don't have access to that. Which means I bet these guys are specifically going after drag and drop builders like this where people can't actually fix the problem. Oh, yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 8:11
just troll the sites. Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 8:13
Yep. So yeah, just keep an eye out for that, folks. Keep an eye out for that.

Robert Fogarty 8:20
In the news.

Jason DeFillippo 8:26
While I'm sitting there watching CNN last night, looking at the scroll go by having a nice, nice cup of eggnog, just relishing in the fact that the electoral college is the greatest institution on the planet, because there wasn't one bad elector out there this time. But there's amazing

Brian Schulmeister 8:42
shadow electors

Jason DeFillippo 8:44
know what rows are? Yeah. But anyway, yes, we have a new president, it has been well, until January 21, get come soon enough. So anyway, I'm reading, reading the scroll having my dog and I saw this come by. And it's like the Federal Trade Commission is going after nine of the major social media firms, and asking them for all of their data on how they track data and things like that. And I was like, Say what?

Brian Schulmeister 9:15
I know. I saw this too. It made me very excited. I almost spilled my eggnog. Yes, this is I mean, this is something that has been on my wish list for since the internet. And yeah, they want to they're basically saying to all the biggies, what exactly are you doing with the data?

Jason DeFillippo 9:36
Yeah, and what exactly what, what data do you actually have? Yes, you know, it's like, okay, I

Brian Schulmeister 9:42
was using algorithms. Yeah, let's

Jason DeFillippo 9:44
roll. Let's roll this thing back about five years, 10 years now and say, Hey, this is what they should have done back in the day. But now it's like, okay, might be a day late and $1 short, you know, the cows have left the barn and the barns on fire, that could you know, all that good stuff. stuff, but, and this isn't part of anything that this is like an exploratory panel right now. Which means they probably won't even reply.

Brian Schulmeister 10:10
It's just like, okay, you know, well, if we need to get the San Diego lawyer on the case, exactly.

Jason DeFillippo 10:15
Let's get that. Get that asshole out it. So it just I was just amazed. I was amazed. Yeah, I

Brian Schulmeister 10:21
mean, this is something I want to see happen I want to 100% try to figure this out. You know, this is really interesting. And this is stuff we should know. This is a This isn't like blackbox so let's, we don't want to know how the sausage is made stuff. This is very much Yes, we want to know how the sausage is made. Because we're the sausage. We're the sausage. Exactly.

Jason DeFillippo 10:43
So here's it tell me Brian, which one of these doesn't belong? discord, Facebook, Reddit, Snapchat, tick tock Twitch, Twitter, Whatsapp and YouTube. Which one of those doesn't belong? What's the odd man out

Brian Schulmeister 10:56
discord?

Jason DeFillippo 10:58
Tick Tock? Why Tick Tock? Because that is the Chinese company out of all.

Brian Schulmeister 11:03
Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah. Well, is it though? Well, as far as we know, at this point, it's a bit like saying Facebook is a US company. I mean, technically it is. But I mean, the shits all global now. They've got offices everywhere. Yeah, but you're talking about us offices.

Jason DeFillippo 11:20
There are but I mean, just how long have you been talking about Tick Tock where they have to divest their Chinese interest and so they're mainly a Chinese company at this point still, because nobody knows what the hell they're supposed to be doing. That's true. I just thought that was fun. Yeah. Oh, wait, I got another fun one. The FTC is also suing Facebook for illegal monopolization.

Brian Schulmeister 11:40
Where the fuck is the FTC been for the past 10 years? I don't know, man. Apparently

Jason DeFillippo 11:45
they hit the naag early too, because they had some noggin Red Bull because they're really like, you know, on a tear here.

Brian Schulmeister 11:51
I know. I'm very excited about this as well.

Jason DeFillippo 11:53
Yeah, yeah, even though that most of their teeth have been pulled with all of the defunding of the FTC and their litigation arm but hey, yeah, this screw it. Let's try it anyway. So they're, they're going after Facebook, basically about the WhatsApp and Instagram buyouts saying that they stifled competition they did and continue to do so. So they're going to be investigating that seeing if they need to roll back those mergers but the problem is the FTC approved those mergers so it's gonna be a little that's a little tough. No, take backs. Zuckerberg is just he's got a T shirt that just says you know no take backs

Brian Schulmeister 12:32
Well, he's got his own other problems right now I particularly enjoyed this article Facebook kowtow to conservatives and got nothing in return which is basically what we're seeing play out right now. We've all known you know, it's been a lie about the about how you know liberal media has been getting a free pass and conservative media is being stifled that has been even though conservative media continues to scream to the rooftops this is happening we know it hasn't happened. We've talked about it on this show about actually Facebook actually promoted conservative media over liberal media. That's the reality that's what happened because they were worried about it. So they basically gave conservative media a free pass and let them do what they wanted. And they kind of hope maybe they'd get something out of that. But no, it's a conservative it's a conservative government right now that is basically trying to screw them and the this article points out that you know they did just enough to take off conservatives to basically say that everything that you did to help them yeah didn't count for shit.

Jason DeFillippo 13:34
Well, you know they lost the election so there you go. They didn't they didn't go far enough.

Brian Schulmeister 13:39
Nope, not enough so they have to kind of go all in you got to be parlor to make them happy and even parlors making conservatives happy these days apparently,

Jason DeFillippo 13:47
so no, apparently not.

Brian Schulmeister 13:49
And then I saw this article and I thought this was really interesting. Now you know, I'm not a gamer at all. But I saw this new lawsuit exemplifies an existential debate and sports video games. So this is basically three Californians are saying that the video game publisher Electronic Arts is secretly manipulating them and suing the basics being here that there is AI technology known as dynamic difficulty adjustment, and it's FIFA Madden and NHL games, three of the biggest sports games on the planet. And they're basically suing to say, you're juicing these games to make us spend more money. Okay, because you can buy things like loot boxes, and all that sort of crap.

Jason DeFillippo 14:30
Boxes should be outlawed no matter Whoa, I

Brian Schulmeister 14:31
agree with that. 100% I when I first got did my little dive into playing, I was playing one of the Star Wars games on my phone. Oh, that was so bad. Yeah. And it's just like, I didn't know any of this sort of stuff. And I was like, Okay, this is getting a little boring. I need to I need to amp my game up a little bit. And I bought a loot box and got like nothing. I'm like,

Jason DeFillippo 14:49
Yeah, exactly. That's what that's why they say it's gambling because you're giving money and you don't know what you're gonna get in return. That's why EA had to go fix that Star Wars game. Yeah, because it was all based on loot crates and everybody He's just like, no, excuse me. That's bad.

Brian Schulmeister 15:03
Yeah, so they got into this a bit more and according to Tom grabs a who is a an actual FIFA coach who runs a YouTube channel called bribe Zee TV. Having recorded and studied hundreds of my own games along with other people's I've drawn too many comparisons just pass this off as merely nonsense. It honestly would not surprise me if this tech is being used. So yeah, there's there's a real thing here. And if you go back through EAS patents and various things that they've gotten, they've definitely like, they've got this technology. So it's almost impossible to prove that they're using it, but it's there. So the lawsuit might reveal something here. And yeah, it's just like you're juicing it. As soon as you get good, you increase the difficulty to make us spend more money to keep playing the game.

Jason DeFillippo 15:47
I'm sorry,

Brian Schulmeister 15:48
but games just like when did games become so evil?

Jason DeFillippo 15:52
I'm sorry, but they've always been that way. This is this is why I call bullshit on this. If you go back to Oh say Mortal Kombat in the 90s you know, okay, you're playing the computer. The computer gets harder as you go. That's the way it works. And it costs you more quarters, because you're not good enough as the computers that you have to keep paying and making it No, no,

Brian Schulmeister 16:13
there's there is a definite difference here. Jason no magic? I don't think so. Magic. Mortal Kombat was actually harder because the player was better.

Jason DeFillippo 16:21
It did do that. That's what I'm trying to get to

Brian Schulmeister 16:24
as you got further along into the game.

Jason DeFillippo 16:26
I there were levels where it was no magic slider in there. You bullshit. Absolutely. Well, it wasn't called AI back then. But it was dynamic difficulty for damn sure. for damn sure. You forget where I used to work. I used to work at a place where they made the fucking thing i thought you know, Midway sorry. No, yeah, that shit is real. It's always been there. That's why it's just like, okay, now they might be just dipping a little too hard into the box of loot to get more loot, but that stuff is always it's

Brian Schulmeister 16:59
also become a bunch of bigger business now, hasn't it? I mean, people, people actually make a living playing these games.

Jason DeFillippo 17:06
Yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Anyway, well, we'll see how this one plays out. But loot boxes should definitely be banned across the board. No matter what if you want to buy an upgrade, buy an upgrade, you know? Tell I'm saying. So have you ever heard of strip chat?

Brian Schulmeister 17:23
I'm a married man. Of course not. No, I haven't actually haven't done.

Jason DeFillippo 17:28
I haven't either. Okay, I'm single. I'm like, I haven't heard of me. And I don't know that what's going on? It's apparently like a combat type of thing. All right. And so I just like this because I put this one in here because it was just funny. And we need a little more funny strip. Strip tats, strip chats, ai powered anal idex helped it reach nearly 1 billion new users in 2020. Our team has developed a machine learning algorithm to identify particular sex acts within the live streaming video, we've called our AI analytics. It analyzes live video as it happens allowing us to bring live anal and live blowjob scenes happening at the very moment right to the eyes and hands of our users. 2022 total traffic to both categories approximately doubled.

Brian Schulmeister 18:12
It brings a new visceral meaning to our saying analytics are bullshit.

Jason DeFillippo 18:20
All they did was add a dash they added a dash in the press release but I just thought that was just too damn funny.

Brian Schulmeister 18:25
It's it's pretty funny. But let's let's keep on the porn continuum here because there was a big story that came out Pornhub just purge all unverified content from its platform.

Jason DeFillippo 18:36
They would like to state before you get going into this, that Pornhub is so big that this was on the morning news like on on it like ABC, CBS and NBC this morning on my regular TV. That's how big Pornhub has become. Let's continue.

Brian Schulmeister 18:51
Yeah, I would like Pornhub added to that list of people about what data they're collecting and what they're doing with it. Because I've I would argue Pornhub is probably bigger than Facebook. Let's be honest. Pornhub is removing all videos on its site that weren't uploaded by official content partners or members of its model program. And let's be honest, that's not a big bar to get to know fucking upload a picture and you're part of its model program and you need to give him some of your money, right.

Brian Schulmeister 19:18
So

Brian Schulmeister 19:20
yeah, yeah, so this came after last week. Basically, there was a piece in The New York Times opinion section that follows the lives of child sexual abuse victims whose videos were uploaded to the platform. So MasterCard, and visa basically did an investigation and said you cannot use our cards anymore. That's it. So you cannot people cannot pay for their pace. Pornhub people cannot pay using MasterCard and Visa anymore, which is a big deal because obviously this is how they make money from the dumb people that actually pay. So there you go, Bob's your uncle. So part of this process now to make things right and get their big business back in business is We're gonna pull absolutely everything that we know could possibly potentially slightly be illegal. Yeah. So what this actually means is that Pornhub unlike every other social network out there, like Facebook, or Instagram, or Tiktok, or YouTube or Snapchat or Twitter will actually have verified content that has been reviewed. They are actually going for the we're not just a platform argument. Now, think about this for a second of all the big companies out there, it's a porn company once again leading the way and doing what all these other companies should be doing, which is modify or not modifying, not modifying, moderate, honoring their contents and the issue the statement. In today's world all social media platforms share the responsibility to combat illegal material solutions must be driven by real facts and real experts. Porn hubs announcement says, we hope we have demonstrated our dedication to leading by example. Take that suck. Now, having said all that, I would like to point out that the only reason that they are doing it is because their business was threatened. It's not like they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts.

Jason DeFillippo 21:12
Oh, no, God, no, no, no, no, no, no. MasterCard and Visa literally have them by the balls. Yes,

Brian Schulmeister 21:17
they hold kicking and screaming into doing this, but it is funny.

Jason DeFillippo 21:22
No, it's great. It's absolutely fantastic. Oh, good. God bless Pornhub. So, anyway, I just had I so many, I'm just going to move on to the next segment. Yes, yes. Well, since Well, yeah, we can tie this with an Oracle has been getting fucked by the state of California for far too long. It's decided. for some strange reason. We're going to Texas.

Brian Schulmeister 21:50
No laws.

Jason DeFillippo 21:51
Yeah, that's true. Regular laws. No tax. No taxes. Yeah. So it you know, we've been saying this for a while that Silicon Valley is just unraveling, you know, HP is gone. Now. Tesla's leaving and now Oracle and Chris, my friend of the show, Chris Lochhead called it, the Silicon Valley, Texas, but I would like to call it the great bait and switch because after this last week, we know that Texas has a, you know, a hair up its butt. And they're gonna get all these companies to get to Texas. And then they're gonna try and leave the union. Because they're all like, yeah, let's just see. Let's just see that which we hear every fucking time. You know why they never let go. Yeah, try I think we exactly we should call it text it because, you know, Brexit has been so good so far for the for Great Britain, you know? Yeah. Man, but the fucked up part is only the unwashed masses that work for these companies are going to be the ones that have to move to Texas. Oh, yes. The bosses have said, You know what? We're rich. We're rich bitch. And if there was ever any doubt that Larry Ellison is a super villain, he has moved to Lanai which he owns 98% of Yep. Believe it or not. Yeah, yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 23:05
Well, he's not the only one because Hawaii is apparently good for all supervillains let us not forget that. Mark Zuckerberg owns a shit ton of coal. I know God and he lives there. Well, part time anyways. So yeah, Hawaii good for supervillains and and me a

Jason DeFillippo 23:25
little farther to get there now though. Jesus. Yeah, I'm

Brian Schulmeister 23:27
gonna be more Caribbean man. Now. I guess.

Jason DeFillippo 23:31
I was gonna say just head down to the Grand Caymans is I'm sure there's enough supervillains down there to choke a horse true button or at

Brian Schulmeister 23:39
least a lot of their money.

Jason DeFillippo 23:40
Well, they're the good Super Villains because you don't know who they are. That's that's the sign of a proper super villain. Anyway, I saw this one I just had to check out former Salesforce Chief Scientist announces new search engine to take on Google.

Brian Schulmeister 23:53
Okay. Richard soaker,

Jason DeFillippo 23:55
a former chief scientist at Salesforce. He's an AI guy. Right? Right. He has decided to obviously to spend a ton of money and bought u.com Okay, and this is going to be a new search engine that is based on trust built on kindness and facts and

Unknown Speaker 24:17
never exists.

Brian Schulmeister 24:20
This is Yeah, this is ridiculous. This will go away. We'll never hear about this again. I did sign up for it. I'm on the waitlist.

Jason DeFillippo 24:26
I'm on the waitlist. Yeah, that's the one thing about this is they're using that that that waitlist tactic, which I hate so much. It's like okay, you're on the waitlist. Now. Here's 17 other things that you can do to get bumped up the ways Yeah, so my code will be in the show notes if you waitlist yourself.

Brian Schulmeister 24:45
Using that bullshit method to promote yourself is a good way to start on your kindness and trust and facts.

Jason DeFillippo 24:51
Exactly what I that you know, I was just like hypocrite fucker

Unknown Speaker 25:07
Security

Jason DeFillippo 25:11
were joined this week by Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the cyber wire podcast and also the co host of the social engineering podcast hacking humans with Joe Kerrigan as well as the co host of caveat with Ben Yellin where they discuss law and policy as well as surveillance and privacy in Dave it's apparently bring your kid to Work Day.

Brian Schulmeister 25:28
Well, when you're referring to workday.

Dave Bittner 25:31
That's right your lips. I guess I was

Jason DeFillippo 25:34
name is Ferrari Jr. On the on the window here? Yeah,

Dave Bittner 25:38
I was gonna I was gonna say Should I refer to him as a cub? But I suspect that probably step one step in that

Unknown Speaker 25:49
there. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 25:50
I think that I think that might be a label to call the Child Protective Service.

Brian Schulmeister 25:54
I so I do have a quick question for jack. Before we get to too much further here. How often on like, say five to six times a day. Does your dad break out into song and dance around the house?

Jack Bittner 26:06
Probably five to six times. Okay. But that's what

Brian Schulmeister 26:11
that's kind of what I pictured.

Jason DeFillippo 26:14
All right.

Dave Bittner 26:14
Yeah, that's true. I would say I'd say that's accurate. So for those who are not familiar, this is my son jack. This is my youngest son jack. He is just turned 14. He's been a guest on the cyber wire a few times. But this is his first time on grumpy old geeks. So jack, welcome.

Brian Schulmeister 26:32
Thank you. You're finally old enough to be on grumpy old geeks.

Jack Bittner 26:35
514 I guess?

Brian Schulmeister 26:39
Well, certainly humor wise. Yes. Yeah, that's

Jason DeFillippo 26:42
true. You're right in the butter zone. Right. So gentlemen, since we have an expert and expert Jr. With us here, let's talk a little bit about the Mandalorian. And I found this last week after watching the episode because I was unaware of some of the the back history of this latest episode operation Cinder. Now this apparently comes from a video game and since there's only one person here now that has probably played this video game. JACK, can you tell us a little bit about operation center? Yes.

Jack Bittner 27:15
So Operations Center was a plan in inputted by the Emperor after his right, not death, whatever you want to call it. Basically his you know, final stand that he put in place for when he dies. And it was the Emperor, the Empire had all these satellites. And they like struck laser like weather lasers at planets to make all sorts of hurricanes and tsunamis and that type of stuff. To wipe out planets and Empire. soldiers that were left. It's not completely stated, like how widespread there was all the galaxy if it was only a couple planets. But that's essentially what it was.

Brian Schulmeister 28:05
So it was kind of If I can't have the galaxy, nobody can saw this right at all. something to look forward to before January.

Jason DeFillippo 28:16
Operation cantaloupe. That's gold. Now this came out of Battlefront two, right.

Jack Bittner 28:23
Right. You play as a pilot. He start right after his battle of Endor plays a TIE fighter pilot. That is a questioning her allegiance to the Empire.

Brian Schulmeister 28:37
See, I was not aware. I mean, I was aware of the fact that they were animated series that I have not watched that have become canon. But I was not aware that actually some of the video games are canon now as well. Who knew?

Jason DeFillippo 28:49
Yeah, well, jack knew. So. What's funny is I actually have Battlefront two and I started to play it but I didn't quite get far enough into it to get to the you know, the nuts and bolts of it. So maybe I'll go back and play it. It sounds interesting.

Brian Schulmeister 29:03
It was definitely an enjoyable episode, but as much as it can be with Bill Burr in it because I am a big bill Berg fan as a comedian and it still bumps me to see him in Star Wars universe.

Jason DeFillippo 29:15
Oh, man, that makes me so happy. I think it's one of the best casting decisions ever. I love when bills. I

Brian Schulmeister 29:20
mean, who knew that Boston was part of the Star Wars universe. Hey, man.

Jason DeFillippo 29:24
The way it goes. Oh,

Dave Bittner 29:26
there's they've got I mean, they've got Brits, so why don't Ian's right. Yeah, I like I like Bill Burr. I think he's a good choice. I was happy to see him back as jack and I were discussing after we watched the most recent episode, I was a little surprised that they sent him on his way that they didn't ask him to, since he knew he knows Imperial stuff, and they're heading towards an imperial ship. Why not keep him with them? Maybe they don't trust him. Maybe they're just you know, this way they can bring them back later. I as jack said, I think he will most likely be back right john?

Jack Bittner 30:00
right there's no I don't think there's any way that they're not gonna bring all these characters back.

Brian Schulmeister 30:06
Yeah, I was actually reading a an article about it as well saying that they kind of almost have to bring him back because you can tell that they're building up to a magnificent seven type moment and you need seven Woo.

Unknown Speaker 30:18
Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 30:20
sevens good sevens good. Yeah, sticking with sticking with a Western theme and all that good stuff. Yeah, good. Wonder which town they're gonna have to save when they get all seven together.

Brian Schulmeister 30:29
Feels like they've saved almost every small town in the universe already. And

Dave Bittner 30:35
it's kind of their thing.

Jack Bittner 30:37
elbers story with Star Wars is quite interesting. He didn't he was he was a Star Wars hater. At first.

Brian Schulmeister 30:43
Yes, he

Jack Bittner 30:44
was not a very fond of the series.

Brian Schulmeister 30:46
You know what he is fond of though. a paycheck?

Jason DeFillippo 30:50
Money. Bill Kuching burger.

Jack Bittner 30:54
He was hesitant right until john fabro. Given the digits. Yeah.

Dave Bittner 31:02
So what do you guys we got one more episode to go this season. Oh, that's it? Yeah, we're coming down. Big. Big season finale. Any any predictions for what we might see in this final episode?

Jason DeFillippo 31:15
be sad when it's over. Big Bad.

Brian Schulmeister 31:18
I can predict that big battle on the ship and cliffhanger. I think that's okay, safe too. safe to assume.

Dave Bittner 31:25
JACK.

Jack Bittner 31:26
I think that they were teasing. You know, baby Yoda. Boy grew calling out to you know, other force beings when he was sitting among the rock, so might see some uh, you know,

Brian Schulmeister 31:40
Luke Skywalker action?

Jason DeFillippo 31:43
face facts? Yeah. He said no space facts. Come on everybody. By the way, props to jack for actually being able to remember the name without having to google it like they're gone. Oh, no, that's the stuff I put on my shoes.

Brian Schulmeister 32:00
To be 14 and remember every obscure tiny character again?

Dave Bittner 32:05
Mm hmm.

Brian Schulmeister 32:06
Yeah.

Dave Bittner 32:07
Yeah, I'm with jack, I think we're gonna see some kind of situation where at the last, you know, when everything's bad, and it seems like there's no hope. at the last minute, maybe some Jedi a Jedi or some Jedi are going to show up and

Brian Schulmeister 32:23
perhaps a Jedi.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Right, right. Right.

Brian Schulmeister 32:28
Kind of cast him. This is what I've heard. Or at least there's an actor that everybody in the world is saying this is a young Mark Hamill. And yes connected Disney. So.

Dave Bittner 32:37
Right, right. I don't know his name. JACK. Do you know his name? The guy who we're talking about here?

Jack Bittner 32:41
Yeah, Sebastian. Stan,

Dave Bittner 32:43
thank you very much.

Brian Schulmeister 32:45
We just need him on call for all future Star Wars.

Dave Bittner 32:48
Exactly. Seriously, they're encyclopedia. And I'm sorry.

Jason DeFillippo 32:53
He's our grow Google. Right. Very nice.

Brian Schulmeister 32:56
It must be interesting, though, jack for for you. Because I certainly I think for Dave and myself, and maybe Jason as well, though. Jason was not as into Star Wars as a kid as Dave and I were. We certainly knew the stories and the characters. But I don't think maybe you did, Dave. But I certainly didn't know the ins and outs of like the filmic universe, the actual universe that, like, I didn't really know actors names. So very well, I wouldn't know if an actor was attached to Empire Strikes Back when it was coming out. But these are all things that are just out there for kids these days. And jack, you seem to know them all. So it's, it's a different fandom than than what I experienced? Certainly.

Jack Bittner 33:36
Yeah, I think, you know, partially, the internet is such probably, right. As a new thing in this new era, Star Wars fans, but, uh, yeah, it's, you know, when you're got, you know, days without weekends with deadlines to handle or, you know, all you got to worry about is, you know, y equals x plus b or whatever, you know, you

Brian Schulmeister 34:08
have lots of time on your hands. All right, lots of time to Google Star Wars.

Dave Bittner 34:12
See, I thought I was it was a big deal back in the day for me that I knew, like, who Peter Mayhew was, you know, like, you know, that was that was high level stuff, but that's nothing these days. Yeah, but

Brian Schulmeister 34:25
you you do casting announcements and right, the fact that Gilbert was not a fan of Star Trek, Star Wars before being in it? Yeah,

Dave Bittner 34:35
yeah, there was so much so much easier for them to contain information to it. Well, in the whole marketing machine was different to they use so much of that now. To hype things up. Yeah, who's attached and who's not and, you know, it's so it's all very different,

Brian Schulmeister 34:51
but it's a far cry from sending Darth Vader to Kmart.

Dave Bittner 34:54
Right. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And mailing away your proofs. Purchase your your Boba Fett actually, are you? Yeah your Boba Fett action figure back? Yep.

Unknown Speaker 35:05
May I remember

Jason DeFillippo 35:06
when that arrived? I was at my grandparents house and he came and I was jumping for joy. Yeah,

Dave Bittner 35:11
me too. Me too.

Jason DeFillippo 35:13
You were at my grandparents house. That's

Brian Schulmeister 35:14
creepy, huh? Well,

Jason DeFillippo 35:16
you were my grandparents. That's not right. But the sexy thing. Do you guys do you guys remember like all the the fan magazines that would come out between the movies, the really thin ones that just you know, were just there to get your money they might have like one or two extra pictures so you'd have to like flip through and see if they were worth getting so you could cut out the pictures and put them on your wall and with

Brian Schulmeister 35:36
your mom for the annual calendar because you might get right yeah, screenshot from the upcoming film. I remember there was I got one and it had like a picture from Return of the Jedi before the movie had come out and it was the coolest thing ever.

Jason DeFillippo 35:48
Now stills back then they weren't screenshots

Dave Bittner 35:51
Yeah, giant foldout poster of Darth Vader that you had, you know, the staples and and all that stuff to get out and put in your put up on your wall. Finally dogs that are

Jason DeFillippo 36:03
barking that aren't mine.

Dave Bittner 36:04
Yeah, that's great. That would be text.

Brian Schulmeister 36:09
Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 36:09
yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 36:11
Is he a squirrel serial killer?

Dave Bittner 36:13
A he fancies himself a killer of everything alive. That's not him. But he's just a bully. He's He's really not a tough guy. He likes to think he is but he's, he's not. He's He's pretty easy. JACK, how would you describe Dexter?

Jack Bittner 36:29
Dexter is he's probably the prime example of all talk. You know, he, he finds himself running at things and then once they bark back, he'll run. You know, right back at you in worry. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 36:46
yeah, he is a bully.

Dave Bittner 36:48
Yeah, he's a bully, right? He folds any any pushback, and he folds. But he's got a lot of bark in him, as you just heard. So. Yeah, he's our dog and we love him. Despite him being a bully and kind of a jerk.

Brian Schulmeister 37:03
Family. What can you do?

Dave Bittner 37:04
Exactly, exactly. He's family. He's he found us. You know, we rescued him. I don't know how many years ago now jack six years, something like that. And yeah, he's family. Nice family. All right. Well, uh, jack, thank you for joining us. You're welcome to stay or you can, you can pop off if you want to. We're going to talk about some cybersecurity stuff. So if you want to stay in add your commentary, you're welcome to but don't feel obligated.

Jack Bittner 37:36
Okie dokie.

Jason DeFillippo 37:37
Alrighty. All right. Well, thanks for stopping by jack either way, if you don't chime in or not. But it was invaluable to have somebody else who knows more about Star Wars than these guys on these kids, these super fans who claim to know everything and then it just showed up by the 14 year old to come together. Now let me explain something to you.

Dave Bittner 37:56
There's so much more to know now though. Like it's right. I mean, yeah, you like I can watch.

Brian Schulmeister 38:02
I can't even catch up with the animated series. Now. I found out I have to play games to understand the full canon of the universe. This is a full time job.

Dave Bittner 38:11
Right now. I

Brian Schulmeister 38:12
started the Star Wars podcast, and I could write everything off now.

Dave Bittner 38:16
Yeah, I thought I was hot stuff because I'd read splinter of the mind's eye before Empire Strikes Back came out. Yes. You know, yeah. So Alright, shall we do some security then? Sure.

Jason DeFillippo 38:29
Well, let's talk about what's going on with this whole solar winds kerfuffle, what's happening.

Dave Bittner 38:35
So this is, again, what we in the biz referred to as a big deal, capital B, capital D. And so solar winds is a company that one of the products that they provide is called Orion. And it is a platform for controlling your servers managing and controlling servers in DevOps. Imagine, imagine a dashboard. And it's doing you know, keeping an eye on all your servers, making sure they're up and running, can do things like reboot them. And, you know, all that sort of day to day management kind of stuff provides you with one place to keep track of everything that's going on alert you if there's something that needs your attention, you know, day to day work day kind of stuff. So lots of people use this software, lots of government organizations. It's originally sort of came to people's attention, because this was part of the fireeye hack that we were talking about in the past week

Jason DeFillippo 39:42
or so. Right and it just to clarify is solar winds Orion, it's just software, it's not hardware, they don't have like a network device or anything.

Dave Bittner 39:50
I believe that is correct. I believe we're talking about software here but I am not I honestly I'm not 100% sure, but I've I've not seen anything in the stuff that we've covered. Word that talks about any hardware. Okay, so what has happened here is much like what happened with Ukraine with that tax software where there was code injected in an update of the software that's basically what happened here with solar winds Orion someone and by someone we mean Russia.

Jason DeFillippo 40:27
Yes, it was the bear currency bear

Dave Bittner 40:29
Yep, which is typically the the quieter stealthier department bear, bear of the bears, right, there's fancy bear and cozy bear. And cozy is the quieter one sentence to keep to themselves more. So the suspicion is that cozy bear inserted this software into one of the updates for solar winds, Orion software. So when if you were someone who used the software, you would go to solar winds, you would update to the latest version, as part of that update, there would be code that would then it basically malware it would install malware, reach out to a command and control server and give them access to your network. And then basically it opens a back door. Mm hmm. And so through that backdoor, now they can they have access to do whatever else it is that they want to do. And customers have solar winds includes the Pentagon, the State Department, NASA, NSA, the Postal Service, NOAA, the DOJ, the Office of the President, so nobody

Jason DeFillippo 41:38
of note

Dave Bittner 41:40
425 of the Fortune 500. All of the all the top 10 telecommunications companies, all five branches of the military.

Jason DeFillippo 41:49
I just I'm gonna say somebody had fancy or cozy bear got got some extra rubles in their paycheck last month.

Dave Bittner 41:57
Uh, yeah, I think so. And the folks at solar winds are saying that they think about 18,000 of their customers were potentially affected by this. What's funny is, they're sort of spinning that as a good thing, because it could have been about twice that number, I think use the software, but only that number had updated to this version.

Jason DeFillippo 42:25
got somebody in PR there, check that week.

Dave Bittner 42:28
Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 42:30
I'm sorry, you lost your legs. But hey, you still got your head, right? The good

Dave Bittner 42:35
news is only 18,000 of our 36,000 customers are potentially exposed to this. So these are early days for this breach, we don't really know the extent of it, or how bad it is the degree to which they were already exfiltrating data or installing other stuff or whatever. So this is a big example of third party risk and how this sort of thing can get into systems at all levels. I think overall people are I think using this as an as an example of this can happen to anybody. I don't know that there's there hasn't been a whole lot of finger pointing and people saying, you know, you did the wrong thing or saying that solar winds was neglectful or anything like that. Yeah. I mean, I think when we're talking about a nation state actor, like cozy bear, they have the capabilities to do these sorts of things. I think it's a I guess, I was gonna say its brazen, but it's only brazen at the point where it's discovered, right? I mean, they were just right. We don't know how long it's been in there. So I'm sure you have kind

Jason DeFillippo 43:53
of a we have a window that we know that it's been in there from when the update went out. So correct, you know, that we do at least have some kind of timeline with the window. Now, the interesting thing is that this is coming out, like you know, now with the administration switch, that kind of odd timing. It's like, why didn't they wait a bit? until they're, you know, Oh, you know what it is? That's what I was thinking about? Okay, so you know, the cantaloupe loses, and then they're like, Okay, well, he's not gonna he's not our friend anymore. We don't really need him to protect us for anything so let's just go to town and then they then they screwed up and got caught. But

Dave Bittner 44:30
yeah, yeah, I mean, I wonder how much of this is because fireeye discovered it. Yeah, the word out and then they started looking for it. And now cats out of the bag in here it is right my my impression is is very stealthy. And was was running very quietly.

Jason DeFillippo 44:52
Yeah, everything I've read about it is like these guys were like, they weren't rushing to do anything. They covered their tracks. They were very meticulous about how they actually Use the exploit. It wasn't like, Hey, we're in let's just start trying to get Bitcoin scams. Yeah. Right.

Dave Bittner 45:06
Right. And that's and that's cozy bear versus fancy bear cozy bear is the reputation of being quiet and fancy bear has the the reputation for kind of being more of the bull in the china shop.

Jason DeFillippo 45:17
Fancy barrier, the way the easy way to think about it is fancy bears more like Fozzie Bear.

Dave Bittner 45:22
Very nice. have to take that to my editorial team.

Brian Schulmeister 45:29
Just a quick question about why this was so big as solar winds and Orion in particular, like the only game in town? Why were so many people using one product?

Jason DeFillippo 45:40
Yeah, that's a good question.

Dave Bittner 45:41
I don't know the answer to that. It could be that they were we kind of think about a company like Salesforce, you know, when you're, when you're at a certain level fail? Well, kind of at a certain level, you may not have a whole lot of competition, and how many? How many? Come? How many providers do there need to be of server management at this level? Well, and

Brian Schulmeister 46:09
if you're once you get into the government stuff, because my uncle actually did a lot of work with the government, you have to bet get vetted and do all this paperwork every year, you can't just sell your goods to the government. So it could be a case of this is the company that went for that market, did all that did all that stuff, and all of a sudden, clear and see the de facto providers. So

Dave Bittner 46:29
yeah, yeah. Now one thing just to head off, anything that people are hearing, because, as with these things, the conspiracy theorists all start their engines. And they're already folks who are saying that one of the voting system companies used solar winds, software, which is true, but they did not use the Orion software, which is the software that was cracked so or infiltrated. So there's, I don't think there's anything to this notion that Trump they're appealing any trouble with the election as a result of this? The seems there's no evidence of anything like that. So if you hear those conspiracy theories coming along, there's nothing to them that we know of so far.

Jason DeFillippo 47:22
Okay. Good to know.

Dave Bittner 47:26
The other thing is, you know, the question of how does this affect me? The answer is probably not very much that we know of so far. This is espionage show. This is spy versus spy. This is what they do. So we'll see if there's any response. We'll see if there's any. I mean, this isn't this isn't considered criminal, you know, because it's, it's espionage. We do it to them. They do it to us. Yeah. So who knows? Maybe we'll kick some some Russians out of the US or do something diplomatic like that. But I guess hacking back, hacking back if we aren't already.

Jason DeFillippo 48:10
I mean, I'm sure we

Dave Bittner 48:12
probably are. Yeah, so the game is afoot. It's an interesting one. Heck of a way to end a heck of a year.

Jason DeFillippo 48:21
Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. I got a cherry on top.

Dave Bittner 48:26
Yeah, I did include a link. The journalist Kim zetter has a nice explainer thread on Twitter that really lays out some of the basics in a way that's really easy to understand. So she's a really good writer. always recommend her stuff. So we'll have that in the links as well.

Brian Schulmeister 48:43
Very cool. Awesome. I bet you were hoping for a slow couple of weeks heading into Christmas, Dave. You know,

Dave Bittner 48:48
I was when, when this when news of this I was sitting on my couch with a cocktail in hand. When on Sunday night when news of this started to break and it quickly became apparent that this wasn't just some small little breach. And I was sitting there going how much you know what, how sighs just started started reading up on it. But we'll see. This is I think it's gonna be slow moving, because it's not like it's making its way around the world and shutting down systems and ransoming things and things are going off line and it's you know, it's not like what was not not yet or something like that. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 49:37
yeah. Yeah, it's right. Right. I always like yet. Yeah, better.

Dave Bittner 49:41
Yeah. Yeah. I you know, I did too. I did too. So,

Jason DeFillippo 49:45
alright, well, on that happy note. Yeah. We'll see you again next week. Dave.

Dave Bittner 49:50
All right. Very good. Well, have a good week. Thank you for indulging me and having young jack on the show. He's very much looking forward. It was a pleasure to hear from Ferrari Jr.

Jason DeFillippo 50:02
Yes, his pleasure. And it was nice to have somebody knowledgeable about Star Wars

Dave Bittner 50:06
ship, baby. Yeah, that's right. That's right. All right, guys, we'll talk to you soon.

Robert Fogarty 50:17
Media candy.

Jason DeFillippo 50:20
Somebody linked this to me on Twitter and I just thought it was pretty funny. I finished watching Star Trek The Next Generation decided to double down on being a nerd and analyze the scripts over seven seasons. And it's a series of graphs that are pretty funny and they go, you know, average warp factor per season, which is pretty fun. You know, when were they in a hurry? episodes with alien race races, dimensions versus seasons. You can see which ones start date versus episode number, which I don't get that one crew total lines versus seasons. So you can see who had the most lines per season so

Brian Schulmeister 50:51
you can see the Wesley season.

Jason DeFillippo 50:55
Everybody Yep, that one. God will fucking Wheaton.

Brian Schulmeister 51:00
No reason but god damn, they did not write that character very well.

Jason DeFillippo 51:04
Well, let's talk about Wil Wheaton for a second here because I'm going to move this up the list because fuck discovery man. I cannot like that show. Ah,

Brian Schulmeister 51:13
I show the mirror unit you just jump forward in time you're exploring this amazing concept and timeline. And then you go back to the fucking mirror universe. Mary universe

Jason DeFillippo 51:25
and time travel and this is I remember I asked you how is she going to get back to do that other show? Well, this is the lead in for that. Now here's why we're gonna get back to will fucking wheat and again for a second here is because I went to go I got my days off, you know on when the new episodes launch because I can't remember if it's Wednesday cuz it used to be Wednesday. And now it's Thursday. Blah, blah, blah. I go pop it up. It says discovery next episode. I click it and it takes me to the ready room with Wil Wheaton. Have you watched that?

Brian Schulmeister 51:53
No, I don't I don't watch Rob up shows. Ever.

Jason DeFillippo 51:56
Okay. I don't either anymore. And but it took me five seconds I think to almost drop my beer and dive for the remote. It was so annoying. It's just like, I I don't know what happened to him. I mean, it's bad. You just watch the first 1520 shirts follow?

Brian Schulmeister 52:16
See I'm sure it follows the very specific formula of the wrap up shows and I know you you do not have a wife so you have not been subjected to watching the wrap up shows for any of the real housewives. I found them. I've seen them. So yes, I know what to expect from these sorts of shows.

Jason DeFillippo 52:33
It's not that Brian it's not that it's Will's exuberance for nerd dumb.

Brian Schulmeister 52:37
Oh, well,

Jason DeFillippo 52:38
I want to talk to you. It has nothing to do with a rabbit. I like I like watching the Talking Dead. You know, I like watching the Talking Dead more than I liked watching The Walking Dead. So it's not the wrap up show. It's Wil Wheaton himself in his fo a Booleans when the show starts, you just have to see.

Brian Schulmeister 52:56
Wil Wheaton. He is who he is man. I mean God watches. Look at his Twitter feed. He gets excited about fucking board games.

Jason DeFillippo 53:03
That's true. I think he's excited about having a job and getting paid which you know, I guess I guess I would be that excited. Okay, Mystery solved, Mystery solved. And I found another awesome Reddit Reddit stream here. I guess what there's subreddits or comment. I I never know the terminology with Reddit because it's just like completely different from everything else. It's Joe Rogan fans learn how shitty Spotify is. And it is a massive thread on how crappy Spotify is interfaces. And I just loved it.

Brian Schulmeister 53:33
It's pretty bad. I did you see this was actually breaking news i i saw late last night and I didn't put it in the show notes because whatever. But just to continue with Spotify is podcasting. Did you see that? They got the former Prince and Princess to do an exclusive holiday podcast. Oh, who gives a fuck? I know. People do.

Jason DeFillippo 53:54
I don't know why. Yeah, well, they also thought Michelle Obama's show was going to do gangbusters and they couldn't get the money in like the numbers up to pay her the money to get you know, the buyout so they actually had to release it to the world. So I think that that that whole experiment night might not really be working as well as they thought it would. I did watch Heaven's Gate the cult of cults on HBO Max, not on my Roku.

Brian Schulmeister 54:18
Watch it on Look at that beautiful URL for the show.

Jason DeFillippo 54:21
Oh, isn't it great? I need to fix that. Isn't it great. I mean, it's like I think they're using the same software that Apple TV plus is using. I really do. And I love that it's a it's HBO max.com slash series slash earn. Like as in where you put the dead bodies, colon HBO colon series colon, g x 70 qu. It reads like an Amazon title. It's great. I do want a quick shout out though, to Steve Hoffman, who's in a tiza cult expert that I know from the Jordan Harbinger show and really good guy and he was in it quite a bit and did a really good job in it. But there were some things in there that I didn't read. Remember about heaven's gate in the fact that Nichelle Nichols, his brother is one of the guys that killed himself.

Unknown Speaker 55:05
Yeah. Yeah, I

Jason DeFillippo 55:07
forgot about that. Believe it or not, though the website still up, you can still go to Heaven's gate.com and all their bullshitters still there, and you can listen to Wil Wheaton. delightedly

Brian Schulmeister 55:14
talking about it on one of his wrapup shows.

Jason DeFillippo 55:26
Yeah, I know. I did do some research after this because we were like, Whatever happened to that house? Did they kill themselves in and turns out the neighbors all pitched in and bought it and bulldozed it and even changed the name of their street. Good.

Brian Schulmeister 55:41
Nice. Well done. Yeah. I finished I have basically binged and finished the Queen's gambit. It is every bit as good as everyone says. It is really absolutely phenomenal. Jason, you will love it. You will love it. It's really fucking good. I know. We don't do we don't like do year end wrap ups or anything. But I this is in my top three shows of the year. Hands down. Damn it hands down. Like it's it's it's this. It's Ted lasso. And I was gonna put Picard in. But I'm not so sure. I don't know.

Unknown Speaker 56:13
The car's not in my talk card isn't in my top 10 Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 56:16
but, but this this definitely is Dude, you got to watch it. It's halfway through

Jason DeFillippo 56:20
to I just by the time low

Brian Schulmeister 56:23
start slow start. Okay, when

Jason DeFillippo 56:25
does it pick up?

Brian Schulmeister 56:26
Like which by end of Episode Two? episode three when she gets a little bit older as soon as she gets okay. It's really yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 56:32
I need to get rid of the past this kid shit. I'm like, Okay, I know. She had a shitty childhood. Let's get on to the chest. Let's move on.

Brian Schulmeister 56:38
Yeah, it's uh, it was phenomenal. I was really sad that it was over.

Jason DeFillippo 56:42
Okay, well, I will. I'll do my best. I'll do my best.

Robert Fogarty 56:47
Ups and do

Brian Schulmeister 56:50
we got a Big Sur update. We did. We did. I did it last night.

Jason DeFillippo 56:55
No, I didn't even see it. Okay.

Brian Schulmeister 56:58
It seems to have sped things up considerably. Although you're about to talk about a story that might have helped to. Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 57:05
I got this is a hat tip to friend of the show. Eric Hunley. I found this fantastic. First, there's a YouTube video called is chrome killing your MacBook now Betteridge would say no, it's not. But the majority

Dave Bittner 57:19
says yes.

Jason DeFillippo 57:20
The YouTube videos is yes. And there's a website called Chrome is bad.com. And this comes from a claimed developer Lauren Richter. Now, I'm pretty sure if I unless I've gotten it confused. Lauren Richter is the one who pioneered pull to refresh. Because he had that app, Tweety that was in bought by Twitter, and then everybody got pulled a refresh. And then they patented it, and then let the patent go to the world. But I believe that was Lauren. And, but it's been a long time. And I'm old. Anyway, I think he's made up for it in here. But basically, what he's saying is that there's a process that goes along with Chrome that sits in the background that you can't see an Activity Monitor, there's always updating like checking and updating chrome and Google products for you. And if you have to uninstall chrome and make sure this Keystone thing is gone. And the one process that picks up is like the Windows Server. And that was one of the things that's always been running on my computer's all the time I like it. But here's the problem. It doesn't happen when Chrome is running. That's why it's been so hard to figure out and he has figured it out. I uninstalled chrome on every computer, but one of mine. Oh my god. It's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah, Chrome has been screwing us up for so long. It's like my 16 inch $4,000 MacBook Pro when I got it out and get everything installed. And it just is a dog. And I'm like, What the hell is going on? Got rid of Chrome brand new machine?

Brian Schulmeister 58:52
Yeah, I wiped Chrome as well, when I saw this. And it was instant, like on that next reboot. I was like, Oh, my God, everything is running so much faster. And then the Big Sur update made it even faster. I'm like, I don't need to buy a new laptop for 20 years.

Jason DeFillippo 59:08
Good, good. Except my one machine gets here for January. So I got I have to, I didn't want to but I have to know they say air air kindly got one too. And he's like, this thing is the fastest machine I've ever had. And he runs on battery all day long and

Brian Schulmeister 59:26
Chrome. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 59:29
He's a but he's the the first one that tried it and said, You're not going to believe it, do it. And because here's the other thing that I was going to talk about today was that I have switched to Safari because I thought the problem was in Vivaldi. And there was some issues that I was having with Vivaldi on Big Sur. And so I'm like, you know what, let's just try Safari and go back to it. Give it a go. The one nice thing about Safari is the fact that all my bookmarks sync on every single device I have yep with without doing anything. Yep, the downside is you gotta use Safari.

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:03
Yeah. Yeah. Well you told me you were doing it. So I actually put Safari back in my in my little bar here so I could actually see it and remember that I have it. I've launched it a few times. I even import it over my bookmarks from Vivaldi in the hopes I'm gonna switch to Safari. Now that I got rid of Chrome and my Vivaldi is working fine. I don't. I'm not switching. I'm not gonna do Safari.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:27
No, no, if Big Sur if this Big Sur update fixes Vivaldi. I'm going back to it. Because Yeah, the the UX is terrible. If you're using one password, and the built in Apple saved passwords, you have multiple competing dialogues popping up over your form field, which will drive you crazy. So you have to pick one. Yep. So I picked Of course one password because that is the winner. And so now I have to like if there's a password that I had in my key chain that I have to go back and find it's a pain in the balls, but yeah, okay, I'm gonna check out this Big Sur update for sure.

Brian Schulmeister 1:01:01
Yeah, the vaulty seems to be working fine for me. And I'm just sticking with it for now. It's I can't stomach Safari.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:08
No, no. And unfortunately, I have to keep chrome on at least one machine because the publish this show, I have to use Chrome for one of the one of the things that we do like the dynamic ad placement marker only works in Chrome, of course. Crazy. So fix that art. 19 Pretty please with sugar on top. And since we've got all these USBC devices now, I noticed that all my Western Digital, you know, hard drives that I use for backups and all this stuff that you know, they're the old ones, the USB threes with that that wacky plug that only goes to USB two. So I'm like, Okay, you know what I need to I need to consolidate all these things and get to a USB C drive. So I went and did a little research. By research. I mean, I went to Amazon and put in a four terabyte passport and what's the first one that came up and then I ordered it. That's it. I just wanted a USBC portable hard drive from Western Digital because those passports work for ever. So I got the WD 40 be my passport ultra for Mac silver portable, external hard drive. USBC and I'm gonna save you the time. Rest of it, but four terabyte drive USBC faster than shit $116.45 my

Brian Schulmeister 1:02:23
god, four terabytes for $116 I can't believe Yeah, the 40 terabyte drive just so they can call it the WD 40 it's gonna be awesome.

Jason DeFillippo 1:02:35
I know, every time every time as old people like, you know, put up a new hard drive that's cheaper than the last one. It's just like do remember in my day, but I tell you what, though the joy still doesn't stop when I see I just bought four terabytes for 115 bucks.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:49
It's amazing.

Jason DeFillippo 1:02:51
I can't can't recommend this drive enough what I needed it for was for a time machine so I can take it around to my different machines. And really whatever machine I'm working on, I just plug it in backups. Yeah. So as I was just doing the backups while I'm working and then just switch machines. So it's one of the bigger ones but it is powered by USBC. Quiet as can be 115 bucks, four terabytes. No fucking brainer.

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:13
Adding to cart.

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:15
Exactly. And if you wanted to buy it, you can either buy, what would that be? Let's say, well, 16 terabytes. Or you can buy a new pair of Apple headphones.

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:27
No, thanks.

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:28
Yeah, the air pods max are out. And they're as silly as everybody thinks they are.

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:34
We're not I mean, why are we surprised because they did make a deal with beats beats were the most ridiculous overpriced bullshit headphones ever. So

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:41
Oh, they're so uncomfortable. Yeah. can't wear them. But I mean, if you really want, you know, a 10 chip computer in each ear, nine microphones, nine microphones and headphones in a pair of headphones. And the digital crown, the digital crown. Yeah, I did whatever, whatever. I think the best part about this though, is some of the other articles that came out in this one surprised me. This is it. The next one, the air pods max case is an abomination and an insult. And at the top, it says proof that the only thing Apple gives a fuck about is your bank account. And I'm like, Okay, let me let me read this article. Do you think it was you know, for the case? Well, it's not about the case. It's about the upsells that Apple has been doing constantly. And yes, the case for the air pods Max is a bra and it's stupid and it's silly and it covers all the wrong things. You know, let's let's protect the big metal pieces that are made of titanium and aluminum and just leave the strap out there to the wind whatever. But yeah, it's a really good article about like, okay, now you don't get power bricks. Now next time it'll be cables and all this other crap. It's just different ways that they can upsell you on other shit. Like dongles? Yep. Speaking of upselling you're not getting the iPhone 12 are you

Brian Schulmeister 1:04:59
I'm still using your iPhone eight, and it works just fine for me.

Jason DeFillippo 1:05:03
There you go. Okay, this came out with the new iOS update and I saw this over at wired, how to use pro raw on your iPhone 12 Pro love that love that you can actually get raw now out of the iPhone 12 Pro and pro Max and pro Maxi pad. I've had to use Filmic Pro to get raw on the iPhone, since it makes a huge difference on your image quality if you're going to be using them for anything other than Instagram or whatnot. But if you actually need good quality images out of your phone, you want to save it raw and then bring it into Lightroom or whatever and fix it up. So this is cool that they finally put this in as you know, just a base feature, which you never gonna get because you don't care. Nope. Yeah, I could just hear you on the back.

Brian Schulmeister 1:05:51
It's like you thought you were talking to somebody who cares about photography?

Jason DeFillippo 1:05:55
Yeah, forget I forget Seth's, not on the show. This year. No. last app that I tried was otter transcriptions. Hmm, it otter.ai huh. Cuz for some work that I'm doing, I had to have some good transcription stuff going and did you get a good transcription? It's pretty fucking good. Cool. I gotta say, I've been using descript that app that that overcharges you and was done by the guy that Groupon which, you know, I hate the script so much, and they charged me for another year, without even giving me a notice that they were gonna charge me so I'm stuck with it, they won't give you a refund because they're a bunch of fucking assholes. So that was it. And you run out pretty quick on your your transcription. So I'm looking around, I'm looking at rev revs too expensive. It's like a bucket and bucket change a minute. Trent is decent. I've used that in the past. And there's a couple other ones out there and I just gave otter a try. And with otter, I paid 20 bucks a month, you get 100 hours of transcription. All right. And here's the kicker, it's got a great interface is really easy to remap the the speakers. And if you just go through the beginning of the transcript and get all the speakers kind of lined up, you click a button that says rematching. They're like, Okay, come back in 1015 minutes, and we'll give you a new version of it after that first pass. And when I go back, it's almost flawless with how it how it breaks up the the people talking, it's amazing. And for 20 bucks. So since I did all my research with the other stuff, I'm slapping all the grumpy old geeks shows through there. So we've got we're gonna have transcriptions going up with the other ones, and they are labeled at the bottom of the show notes, you have to go to the website for if you're on Patreon, you still have to go grab those from the show notes. It is labeled like ridiculously bad ml transcript. So we're not saying that this is is you know, it's not canon. No, it's not. It's it's actually kind of amusing if you want to have a beer and read along at home. But, you know, four ml transcripts in the price. Fox great.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:00
I gotta say just in principle, I'm not entirely sure I want these things out there to be googled into the big internet bots and have some translation to something I said attributed to me forever.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:13
That's why I labeled it as

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:16
love. We'll keep that label in mind.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:19
Well, we do have an audio archive of it right next to it that somebody can actually listen to so yes,

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:24
we have people proof is in the new research.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:27
Hey, man, then we can sue them for slander. That's fine.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:31
I don't think we can see the person published on our own website.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:36
We can fix it and

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:39
there's a lot of holes in this theory here.

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:43
Just don't tell that as a lawyer down in San Diego, we'll be fine.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:49
We are more another week this week is Jason for putting fucking transcripts

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:56
could say anything.

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:00
Okay, anyways, know I'm a huge fan of the ifl science site. If you're not a regular viewer, you should be and I won't get too into this. The story is every bit as life affirming and wonderful as you think it would be from the title. white supremacists taking ancestry tests aren't happy about the results. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:19
It's a great read. All right. Did they get a transcript?

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:26
Probably. I said I was white, not white. Shit, that's gonna be transcribed. Wonderful.

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:39
Well, the Zodiac Killer is in a bunch of hot water. Oh wait, they haven't caught him yet. Anyway. The cipher has been deciphered, which I thought was pretty fun after all of these years, not very helpful. Not very helpful at all. No, we just found out that he doesn't know how to spell paradise. No,

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:56
no, unless he actually has a pair of dice. Maybe start start looking at di stores.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:07
I get this paradise you don't, man. Come on over the place face. Oh, we're getting goofy anyway,

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:15
I just thought it was fun. Okay, and there's some cool Space News, solar systems superhighway could speed up space travel future deep space missions might take as long as you think researchers have discovered that there is a network of routes and routes depending on what part of the country you're from, that will let probes and other spacecraft travel outward at a quicker pace. It's kind of cool. I thought this would be much bigger news. I thought this would be on CBS but new born

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:42
born in space,

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:43
so yeah, they've actually found that there are basically pathways through our solar system that allows travel faster. Interestingly enough, they all start in Texas.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:54
Can you go faster than light is this?

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:56
No, no, it's gonna take like something that used to take 100 years will can take 10 basically. So asteroid so like they found out asteroids near Jupiter, for example, could reach Neptune's distance in less than 10 years, and 100 astronomical units about three times net Neptune's distance from the Sun in 100 years, this spacecraft would theoretically be faster, so it gets super sciency it's worth the read though. Very cool. Already.

Robert Fogarty 1:11:23
feedback loop.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:26
over at Patreon we've got steve steve, fucking Steve. Over Pay Pal, we've got Ralph mark and Michael, Justin, Linda, Sean, Nathaniel, Andrew, Logan, Raj and Natalie. Oh, Martin's did not his stocks did not perform this week. I

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:42
guess. That's a significant chunk of our revenue that we like

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:46
no. Yeah, man, we might be going under the market

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:50
and over a Gog dot show Barrett wrote in one of the best Trump deep fake videos ever. Link is in the show notes. It was amazing.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:57
It was pretty good. It was pretty good. And Peter writes in check out the comply memory foam tips for AirPods pro just got mine last week definitely feel the difference and they are more stable. I haven't been taking them out for a run yet but they stick in the air much better than the default Apple wins not to Comply Foam calm I've noticed on my Apple AirPods pro that the little clicker stops working a lot of the time now so might have to take those back in but they don't fall out of my ear right now which is good thing.

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:25
All right. And Neil writes in saw this news article pop up immediately thought of Brian Canada is really going to shit since his arrival. Keep up the good work guys love the show. And while once a week is less grumping it means every episode has a Bittner, which makes the week a bit brighter, brighter and this is a ontarian leaves package of poop on porch and it apparently got stolen only 40 minutes later. And we are even our neighbors when we moved in said you know, especially around this time of year a lot of people just wander around and grab packages so get them right away. Yep,

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:56
definitely get those ring doorbells.

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:58
No thank you.

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:59
Justin writes in love your show. Listen every week I imagine you've seen things like this before but thought I'd pass it along just in case good holiday fun. I bet they don't have this in Canada go freedom. And this is from rage industries. It's basically one of the it's a rage room where you get to go break a bunch of stuff.

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:17
Yep, well, we have the stupid things here in Canada too. So I have a link in the show notes for battle sports, which has their own rage room. And interestingly enough a website for a company that didn't bother to brand their website name at all. The URL is web design dot shared dank.on.ca and I haven't seen this in a long time. Man. What do we call this tilde tilde tilde brown mad slash service underscore website underscore Matty slash home dot html? Good branding there?

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:49
doggie.

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:51
But yes, we have them. Henry writes in in regards to the Mandalorian show ever using the word slave one to describe Boba Fett ship if you listen to Mandalorian Episode 14 using the English sound description audio setting, the narrator calls the ship slave one it is worth a relisting two episodes in that audio mode. They sound like great audio books. I bet they're using one of those shitty AI translations. And they never actually said slave one and somebody is gonna get sued. Now.

Jason DeFillippo 1:14:19
Ralph writes in hi grumps hope all is well here's my nominee for this week's latest sign of the times award courtesy of the New York Times. It's an article titled bad sex and fiction award is canceled his 2020 was bad enough. Oh, yes, a sad day indeed. Anyway, stay healthy, stay grumpy and be careful out there.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:38
We'll do I guess we're sliding into the holidays because not a lot of feedback and no iTunes reviews. Actually, we need to talk about that. We need our our break is coming up. We'll talk about that off the air. If you want your question or comment.

Jason DeFillippo 1:14:52
I like break. Break.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:54
I don't know I can't we take at least a week off here. If you want your question or comment read on the show head over to gog.com slash contact and send us your feedback or questions that we can read on the air. And if you're so inclined, please head over to Gog dot show slash review, and toss us a five star and snarky review. You didn't come up with something funny, so I'll just read it as is. And if you think about it, and you're using overcast, click the little star next to the episode. Jason's notes something funny.

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:18
I'm busy this morning, man. My second show of the day, and I'm sure

Brian Schulmeister 1:15:22
the AI transcript will fix it.

Robert Fogarty 1:15:25
Closing Shout outs

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:28
sad news. And this week's closing shout outs Tommy tiny Lister is dead at 62. You may remember him as the president in the fifth element among many, many, many other movies.

Brian Schulmeister 1:15:38
I saw the headlines and I thought he was a rapper.

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:41
Nope, nope. And Eric Engstrom, one of the pioneers behind Direct X has died at 55. Which is crazy. Yeah, to way too young. And speaking to somebody that wasn't too young though. JOHN lecarre. He died at 89. He was one of my favorite authors. He wrote Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy The Spy Who Came in from the cold and many, many other ones. But the George smiley series was fantastic. Highly recommend those never read until Oh, really? Yeah. I guess. I don't see you as a spy guy. I'm

Brian Schulmeister 1:16:15
not really into those kind of books. That's the thing.

Jason DeFillippo 1:16:17
Yeah, but you saw the movie Tinker Tailor Soldier

Brian Schulmeister 1:16:19
Spy, right? Yes, that was good.

Jason DeFillippo 1:16:20
Okay. Yeah, the books are kind of like that. They're slow like that, too. So if you're if you like that kind of slow burn, but you think a lot and I love the George smiley books are really good. Anyway, until next time, I'm Jason DeFillippo.

Brian Schulmeister 1:16:34
And I'm Brian Shaw Meister. Thanks for listening to grumpy old geeks. The show is a labor of love, but your support keeps the show going. If you like the show, please visit Gog dot show slash donate to help us out. We'd love you forever. Or visit Gog dot show slash shop and pick up some good old fashioned Gog swag. If you can't do that, please pass the show along to a friend. Word of mouth is the only way the show grows to spread the grump far and wide Show Notes for this episode are a Gog dot show slash 488 along with the abysmal AI translations. From here you can find lots of old episodes leave feedback, ask questions, donate to the show, by our swag and get links to stuff we like stay grumpy or whatever that got translated as

Jason DeFillippo 1:17:11
stay rumpy great.

Brian Schulmeister 1:17:14
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