Flash, a-ah, saviour of the universe; WeWork might be just fine; Tesla buys bitcoin; Robinhood still very popular; Twitter confirms experiments with new models, subscriptions; AI COVID predictions; Amazon’s new CEO; WFH causes chip shortages; Toyota’s self-drifting car; In & Of Itself; the Expanse season finale; Fake Famous; Samsung’s ridiculously large monitor; seven screen laptops; supplements on the blockchain; Heaven’s River; tracked at the Capitol; hacker breaks into water supply; Pornhub biometrics; deep fakes as a service; feedback.

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Show Notes

FOLLOW UP

These Places Were Not Ready for Flash to Die

IN THE NEWS

Somehow WeWork Is on the Cusp of Going Public

Tesla buys $1.5 billion in bitcoin, plans to accept it as payment

People are furious with Robinhood but they keep downloading it

Twitter confirms plans to experiment with new models, like subscriptions, in 2021

New AI tool predicts who’ll die from COVID-19 with 90% accuracy

What to expect from Amazon’s new CEO Andy Jassy

WFH has caused a massive chip shortage. And it’s costing car companies billions.

Chip shortage hitting iPhone 12 could get much worse, say experts

Watch Toyota’s self-drifting car put Vin Diesel out of a job

MEDIA CANDY

Reddit celebrated WallStreetBets in a five-second Super Bowl ad

Derek DelGaudio’s In & Of Itself

The Expanse’s Season 5 Finale Twist Was Shocking. The Reason Behind It Was Even Worse.

Fake Famous

What HBO’s Fake Famous Doesn’t Understand About Young People and Influencer Culture

APPS & DOODADS

SAMSUNG LC34J791WTNXZA 34-Inch CJ791 Ultrawide Curved Gaming Monitor, White

Acer CB241HYK bmjdprx 23.8″ IPS Ultra HD 4K (3860 x 2160) 100% sRGB Monitor with Tilt/Swivel/Pivot/Height Adjustment and Built-in Speakers

Magnet App

The Aurora 7 Is A Seven Screen Laptop Battlestation

Aurora 7

The Anchor – THE ORIGINAL Under-Desk Headphone Stand Mount

MAGTECH® MAGNESIUM

AT THE LIBRARY

Heaven’s River by Dennis E. Taylor

SECURITY HAH!

The CyberWire

Dave Bittner

Hacking Humans

Caveat

They Stormed the Capitol. Their Apps Tracked Them.

Hacker tries to poison water supply of Florida city

Pornhub will use biometric data to verify uploaders as part of ongoing safety updates

FEEDBACK LOOP

Quant fund or metal band?

New phishing attack uses Morse code to hide malicious URLs

Godsquatter

AirPods Pro Service Program for Sound Issues

Skeptics Guide podcast #811

I’ve had my Covid-19 vaccine — now what can I safely do? Your questions answered

Disturbed – The Sound Of Silence (Parody – The Social Distance)

 

Robert Fogarty 0:02
grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFillippo. Discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet. And who's to blame.

Jason DeFillippo 0:16
Welcome to grumpy old geeks. I'm Jason defilippo.

Brian Schulmeister 0:19
And I'm Brian Joe Meister. Good morning.

Jason DeFillippo 0:21
Good morning, sir.

What is new with you?

Brian Schulmeister 0:25
New monitor new podcast layout, which is confusing me. And we're using a new service to record. So what could possibly go wrong?

Jason DeFillippo 0:33
What could possibly go wrong? Yeah, let's change up just about everything. Before we do a show and test it for three minutes.

Brian Schulmeister 0:40
Yes. Well, here we are. So hopefully this will go well. The other week we talked about well, okay. for about seven years, we've been talking about how flash is on the chopping block, and it's going away for sure. And, you know, everybody around the world knew this for a long time. And we had a countdown to flash being taken away. And finally flash was dead, and people were not ready for it.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04
Of course not.

Brian Schulmeister 1:05
We talked last week about the Chinese railway service that ran their entire operations off of flash, which of course is crazy enough to begin with. They did not get the memo for some reason. And their solution, of course, was to install some sort of hacked version of flash, they called ghost flash, and oh, did we have a chuckle

Jason DeFillippo 1:23
over? Yes, we did.

Brian Schulmeister 1:25
They weren't the only people. So we found a we found a few more people that did not get the memo. The Flash was going away and didn't do anything about it. The South African revenue service, they would be the tax collectors of South Africa. And they were in the midst of their tax filing season. And in the middle of weaning their e filing systems off of Adobe Flash, so of course they were working on it, but they did not get it done in time. Sure they were January 12. Sending waves of anxiety and frustration rippling through the country. And let's see, how did they get around this? Huh? To solve the problem, they moved their e filing system to a new and this is air quoted browser built by a Russian software company that ran an old version of flash.

Jason DeFillippo 2:08
Oh my god. Next week on security how the entire entirety of South Africa has been doxxed from Russian hackers. Yes, but we're not done yet. Here, Jason. Okay. The

Brian Schulmeister 2:19
South Carolina Department of Health and environmental control, which regulates death certificate filings relied on flash software until January 11. The day before he flashed his own death. They had a late and rocky software transition, which is a limbo period for people waiting to lay their family members to rest. I suppose they're in Flash purgatory, moving on the US Securities and Exchange Commission no nice. On January 13, the SEC announced that people were experiencing technical issues filing form 13 H, which is used as a reporting measure for people trading and very large sums of money $20 million or more in a day, which ran on flash, let's put

Jason DeFillippo 2:59
$20 million transaction $20 million plus transactions. And let's put flash on it.

Brian Schulmeister 3:07
Little assistance was offered except for a few workarounds, such as Internet Explorer 11. On January 26, two weeks later, the technical issues were finally resolved. And of course, schools all around the world because almost every single educational animation used heavily in elementary schools in science classes have been done in Adobe Flash forever. So all this free and accessible educational content during a period of time in which this is basically the only education occurring for people because they are all working from home does not work anymore.

Jason DeFillippo 3:39
Lovely, lovely, lovely, lovely day, you know, some of these people should have taken either that tax money or those sec transaction fees or, well, we know education doesn't have much of a budget, but somebody should have, you know, gone back and fix that stuff beforehand. But you know, when was the last time you had a flash developer, like an enterprise, and this is, you know, an oxymoron here and enterprise flash developer on staff that could even remember that these things ran on flash?

Unknown Speaker 4:07
Yeah, yeah. So good times for everybody.

Unknown Speaker 4:12
In the US.

Brian Schulmeister 4:19
A while ago, we made a proclamation that we would not talk about we work anymore. We did that we kind of did because we were we were dunking on them so bad. And it was so crazy. And we kind of decided, Hey, hold on a second. They're not really a technology company.

Jason DeFillippo 4:31
Oh, that's right. That's

Brian Schulmeister 4:32
right. So they were what they said they were well, in the same way that Uber is they've got an app. So I feel like we have to because there's special circumstances involved here. Now the article is entitled somehow we work is on the cusp of going public. And it says here's a surprise the Wall Street Journal reported last week that we work now plans to go public this year with something called an sp AC or special purpose acquisition company that would value the company at $10 billion. Now this is a fraction of the estimate that made us all scoff back over two years ago

Jason DeFillippo 5:06
10 billion still makes me scuffed by the way.

Brian Schulmeister 5:09
They actually own a fair amount of real estate, but that's good. Yeah. So there's there's that they actually do have assets. 10 billion is a great deal more than the 2.9 billion that they were looking at previously, or right now anyways. So this is this is a way of getting around a traditional IPO, which basically means people can't like scrutinize your company.

Unknown Speaker 5:29
So, okay, like

Brian Schulmeister 5:31
investing and pouring a bunch of money into a company that hasn't been scrutinized. This is the way you do it. So they're going to they're going to go that way. You know

Jason DeFillippo 5:38
why they might be doing this because they've been pre scrutinized from the previous IPO?

Brian Schulmeister 5:42
Well, yes. Last February T. Rowe Price declared its involvement and we weren't a terrible investment debacle that had caused outsize headaches and disappointments

Jason DeFillippo 5:52
already, but it did spawn a couple podcasts

Brian Schulmeister 5:54
did it did and everybody basically made fun of them was particularly their founder, Adam Newman, who sold the rights to the word weed to the company for $6 million. Yeah, can't forget that. You know, we

Jason DeFillippo 6:08
kind of just though, got a genius I got to give them that is evil genius. Yeah. Yeah, we troll. Yeah, now

Brian Schulmeister 6:15
they've got somebody kind of normal running the company. And they're giving up on all the different ideas that they had, like we education, and we farming and we all the other crap that they were trying to do, instead of just actually running the business, they're supposed to be running. And they are just running the business, they're supposed to be running now. And since things have kind of gotten back to relative normal, see in a lot of the Asian markets, they're doing great. And basically, I would almost even consider investing. And we work at this point, because at some point, we are coming back. And we're going back to work. And a lot of offices and a lot of companies are giving up their office spaces, because they're kind of down with this work from home thing. So there is a real possibility that coming out of this pandemic, unfortunately, we work might do quite well. What an interesting turn of events.

Jason DeFillippo 7:03
Get rid of the crazy founder put an adult in charge. And you might actually make some money. You listen in Tesla.

Brian Schulmeister 7:11
Oh,

Jason DeFillippo 7:14
oh, zing. Well, yeah, let's talk about Tesla there for a second now. They have just bought $1.5 billion in Bitcoin. Now. There's there's something that is going on here that I really don't I can't find the timeline on on this. I don't know when they actually made the purchase of the Bitcoin.

Brian Schulmeister 7:32
I'm not sure either. I'm willing to bet it was approximately two days ago when I checked my coin base and all of a sudden I had made money in Bitcoin.

Jason DeFillippo 7:39
See, I would expect it to have been three days ago because I think Elon Musk's tweet was two days ago where he pumped the value of Bitcoin. Right now, this is where we need regulation people. All Tesla really had to do was go in, buy the 1.5 billion in Bitcoin, you know, the great leader goes and pumps it up. And then they can come back and say, No, we made a mistake, dump it, and then there's their working capital for the next six months, you know? Yep. That's, that's nuts. It's not that

Unknown Speaker 8:12
different from what happened with GameStop. Except the people didn't

Jason DeFillippo 8:16
get out in time. Mm hmm. Exactly. So yeah, this is all because Tesla says they plan to accept Bitcoin as a payment for their their swanky space cars.

Brian Schulmeister 8:27
Yes. And silly.

Unknown Speaker 8:29
Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 8:30
I mean, you don't want to be that guy that bought the pizza that's now worth $13 million.

Jason DeFillippo 8:37
Well, the guy that bought the pizza is worth nothing. The guy that made the pizza is a gazillionaire. So the interesting thing about it, though, really is that yeah, this is just the Wild West. And I I fear for the the sanity of Tesla, because what if that, you know, somebody comes in and devalues Bitcoin somehow, or does something because we as we know, it's a gamble, currency quote, unquote, currency. Yeah. So that 1.5 billion if you know, by some great miracle, Bitcoin dropped in half, they'd lost $750 million, which can't, you know, I mean, they're not apple. No, no,

Brian Schulmeister 9:17
that was Dan afford that. Yeah, yeah, hurt.

Jason DeFillippo 9:19
So this seems like an unnecessary risk. To me. If I was a shareholder, I would say this is a very unnecessary risk. As a shareholder.

Unknown Speaker 9:27
I am saying, that's what I was gonna

Jason DeFillippo 9:29
ask next.

Brian Schulmeister 9:30
And what do you think I'm not a fan? I think it's a silly move, but Elan musk does tons of silly moves. And yeah, I don't like it at all. Get your money out of game of poker game mobile currencies. Jesus Christ, what are you thinking? Because you know, all it takes is is is these these redditors to turn around and go, let's let's mess with Tesla by messing with Bitcoin right now.

Jason DeFillippo 9:50
And Tesla was already in their sights after the GameStop thing that they're just basically searching for a target. They're like a torpedo. That's homing beacon is still on and Tesla swimming through the water with a couple other ones that they're just waiting to get locked on to,

Brian Schulmeister 10:04
you know, the thing that they may need to be able to do that as a stable trading platform that will let them which is my next story. No right here is with Robin Hood, but they keep on downloading it. Yeah. So they are furious with Robin Hood because Robin Hood basically restricted trades under the number of the meme stocks like GameStop. Right when we were in the middle of it. So they basically said, oh, let's put pause on this here. Now, in their defense, there is a very real reason why they did this. Basically, they did not have enough cash on hand and because of regulations, if they do not have that cash on hand, they cannot cover these trades. Okay, that was the issue. So they stopped the trades because we do not have the money to cover this. And nobody's giving it to us now. The next day, they got a billion dollars of investment and all that sort of stuff. So they upped their amount that they can actually trade and continue to do and all that sort of stuff.

Jason DeFillippo 10:56
Before we continue though the lawsuits? Yes. Because there was I've seen people say, Well, basically if you read the terms and conditions, you would find out that your lawsuit won't actually work. Have you heard much about that?

Brian Schulmeister 11:08
No, I've just heard that lawsuits have been filed but I assume that the terms and conditions when one would assume and and again this is a very dangerous thing, Jason because every time we assume anything about a tech company it makes an ass out of you and me. Yeah, but one would assume that their terms and conditions were pretty airtight and you would get pretty airtight terms and conditions if you were running a financial system however we shall see

Unknown Speaker 11:32
however

Jason DeFillippo 11:34
there are a lot of people calling for Apple to buy coin base and become a you know, basically a Bitcoin trading house.

Brian Schulmeister 11:40
I don't see Apple getting anywhere near cryptocurrency

Jason DeFillippo 11:44
Yeah, I'm just like somebody has been hitting the the we drink too much that night because that that is so not in their wheelhouse.

Brian Schulmeister 11:52
No, no, a Microsoft nobody. None of those big guys are gonna get anywhere near this stuff.

Jason DeFillippo 11:56
Oh, but wait, Apple does have one of the world's largest payment platforms and they sell a bunch of digital goods. So if you actually do think about it for a second, it might make a good place to have a cryptocurrency behind Apple but Bitcoin would probably not be the right one apple coin on the other hand or jobs coin. Sure.

Brian Schulmeister 12:16
It's making turtleneck coin.

Jason DeFillippo 12:18
Yeah. Or what's the what's the Facebook one that is stuck in? Oh, geez.

Unknown Speaker 12:23
Isn't that one dead now?

Jason DeFillippo 12:25
Well, every time we every time we think it's dead, they come back and say you know, okay, we'll do more regulation. Okay, we'll do more regulation. And then turns out that there's I don't think there's enough regulation in the world to let Facebook run a global currency of that, that scale.

Brian Schulmeister 12:40
Alright. Well, we just went on a massive tangent. The main point of the story that I had was, was basically everybody hates this app, but they keep downloading it, which is basically humanity and the internet in a nutshell, I hate this thing. I need to keep using it. So everybody complained about it. It's had its biggest download days ever jealous just proving there's no such thing as bad publicity,

Jason DeFillippo 12:59
speaking of things that people hate, but keep on using it anyway, you've got some Twitter news in here.

Brian Schulmeister 13:03
Twitter confirms plans to experiment with new models like subscriptions, a new model, a new model that we it's new to you.

Jason DeFillippo 13:11
Yeah, that we've been clamoring for from Twitter since I don't know day one. It's like, Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 13:17
well, you know, they're not gonna roll out basically just a standard subscription model. It's going to be some kludge, weird as shit. So they're continuing to explore the addition of subscription services and other paid features to supplement its advertising revenues. According to a report from Bloomberg this morning, they're considering a range of ideas, including tipping, paid customer facing features like profile customization. So Boy, that would be great. Do we get spinning cursors? Can we make it look like MySpace? Or an Undo Send option or subscription based access to Twitter's Tweet Deck app?

Jason DeFillippo 13:47
Okay, define Undo Send How is that different from delete? I don't know. I would just like to know that.

Brian Schulmeister 13:54
Maybe visibility is set to zero on that one.

Jason DeFillippo 13:56
Yeah. The funny part is, it's like the one thing that everybody wants is not in that list of paid features, which is worse not Can I edit my fucking tweet? No, no. Nope, still can't do that.

Brian Schulmeister 14:07
Yeah, so they're gonna do something. They won't provide any details. I do you like jack Dorsey. This is why jack Dorsey runs these sorts of companies and we don't. Here's the statement. We do think there is a world where subscription is complimentary. We think there is a world where commerce is complimentary. You can imagine work around helping people manage paywalls as well that we believe is complimentary. So that's what we're looking for. We have a small team is exploring our options. Obviously, we're hiring for those teams. He said he had noted that says nothing. No, that's an entire paragraph of nothing.

Jason DeFillippo 14:39
It's jack. What do you want? Exactly?

Brian Schulmeister 14:41
Exactly. It is jack. It's jack shit.

Jason DeFillippo 14:44
jack shit. That's right. I this one came across my desk this morning and his new AI tool predicts who will die from COVID-19 with 90% accuracy. Hmm. They say the system could help prioritize vaccinations predict a respirator demands. What could go wrong with this one. This comes from the University of Copenhagen. They say they have developed an AI tool that can do these predictions with up to 90% accuracy. And they use data from almost 4000. Count them 4000 COVID-19 patients and Denmark's

Brian Schulmeister 15:17
as many people as we get in one day in Los Angeles wasn't

Jason DeFillippo 15:20
a right. I, I would like you Danes to come join us in Los Angeles, please, because I guess you can fly here, we can't fly there. So you might as well just come here, or I could upload you some data. But 4000 is a fairly small sample size, considering the scope of people that have been infected with this. Just saying just saying, and yeah, and they can say with 80% accuracy, people who were admitted to the hospital if they will need a respirator or not. Now, if the article goes on, I'm like, okay, you have the data, right? So you have your training model, you have your API back end. So you know, what the outcomes are. You have the inputs, you know, what the outcomes are? Why is this only 90%? accurate? Why can't you tweak the model to be? I don't know, 100% accurate? Since you have the answers. It doesn't it? I don't understand why the why there's the lag here. I'm just saying always outliers. Jason. Okay. But they do go on to say, unsurprisingly, BMI and age were the most decisive indicators. And they also showed that males and people with high blood pressure or neurological disease had elevated risk, which we knew from the data that we put into the damn machine, why can't machine just spit? I'm just saying that this is a bad idea. I mean, if we can't even have facial recognition work, right without bias. So the the ability here to game the system, and use this for prioritizing vaccinations or hospital beds, would be the height of stupidity, which means it will probably be rolling out on Microsoft as your next week as a service. Now,

Brian Schulmeister 16:59
I mean, I agree with you in that it should not be made should not be used for triage, it should not be made for actual hospital level decision making in terms of who is getting care and how we're rolling that out. However, I do like the idea of using these models just for preparation, right? Like, okay, we are we obviously need to order more respirators, or we obviously need to get more beds into our hospitals, our models are showing us that we are understaffed, and we are under under equipped, etc, etc. And we use that data to bring us up to snuff, but we do not use the data to actually decide who gets the bed.

Jason DeFillippo 17:34
Okay. There's other factors I would like to put into what is AI is determining too. I would like to I would like IQ would like propensity to vote for specific political parties, conspiracy theory websites, they visited all the different things to find out if they're just dumb.

Brian Schulmeister 17:53
Yes. Have you posted about not wearing a mask? You do not get a bit.

Jason DeFillippo 17:56
Exactly, exactly. I want other factors to be taken into account for this data model. When they train it is all I'm saying. I'm all I'm saying. But it's a thought experiment for machine learning. It's perfect.

Brian Schulmeister 18:08
Unfortunately, we are not allowed to discriminate against stupid.

Jason DeFillippo 18:13
Yeah, our country would be a much different place if we were

Brian Schulmeister 18:16
apparently we're allowed to discriminate against everything else in this country but not stupid.

Jason DeFillippo 18:21
Moving on, what are we?

Brian Schulmeister 18:23
Well, right after we hit stop on our recording last week, the big news of was announced that Jeff Bezos would step down in July, they will be replaced by Andy Jassy over at Amazon, he will be the brand new CEO the first time in 27 years, the entire life of Amazon's existence that there will be a new CEO. And I read this really long article over on Vox about what to expect from Amazon's new CEO Andy Jassy. And it basically says, he's been shadowing him for like the last 20 years. So same thing

Jason DeFillippo 18:52
now, so we're not gonna get sassy Jesse. Nope. Nope. We're just gonna get a bsos clone. Great.

Brian Schulmeister 18:57
He has been running the cloud, sir. Amazon Web Services. So we can expect no passwords now automatically enabled on anything. That's Well, I mean,

Jason DeFillippo 19:05
he wasn't running Amazon Web Services. He basically built that thing. So he's now he's a heavy hitter over there. So yep, we've all been working from home. We've all got some new computers here and there, new gadgets, new tablets, new super electric ding dong things here. I just got a couple of them yesterday. So it turns out working from home has caught the massive chip shortage and Doritos that Well, no, I've got two Cheetos and lays here. I've got I've got cases of those. I wish to redoes man, but let's blow up like a balloon Anyway, moving on. So car companies are having a really big problem with this right now. Because they don't have the chips to put in the cars for all of their super fancy new Evie cars and things like that. So they've had to roll production back. It's gonna cost them billions. And turns out the iPhone might also be getting hit with this as well. Because some of those new fancy LIDAR chips Yep. Well, turns out they don't have all the components for those. And they're hard to make

Brian Schulmeister 20:03
you know what maybe we need to do for just another year or so until this whole pandemic thing is kind of sorted out and solved. Maybe we don't need a brand new phone or a brand new car. Maybe we just exist with their iPhone that we have for another year.

Jason DeFillippo 20:19
Well, you can say that when you until you sit on your iPhone, and you break it and you still need a new one. I'm I was thinking more along the lines of why the fuck is LIDAR in a phone anyway?

Brian Schulmeister 20:30
That's a good point.

Jason DeFillippo 20:31
Yes, if the if the car companies need the LIDAR for the cars, which aren't going to be self driving for another 20 years anyway, but they think they need them, give them to them. And you know, take give me an iPhone 12 Pro with no LIDAR. There's not a situation where I need LIDAR make it a making an external component, something

Brian Schulmeister 20:49
I need exhaustive statistics on the fall rate of my phone when I smash it and break it.

Jason DeFillippo 20:54
Well, no, it will map the world in 3d as it falls so you can recreate it, just send it to the NTSB. And do that I gotta say the only cool thing about the LIDAR is that there are apps out there that let you scan your environment and make 3d models which everybody will try once and then forget the app is there and never use it again. So anyway, save the LIDAR for the the new AR glasses that you're building guys. So I'm saying or what they could do is they can go to Toyota and pull out a couple of those chips that Toyota has apparently put into the world's first self drifting car.

Unknown Speaker 21:30
Guess what we need?

Jason DeFillippo 21:31
Yeah, did you watch the the video?

Brian Schulmeister 21:33
I did? it drifts. it drifts.

Jason DeFillippo 21:35
Yep, that's it. It's what it says on the tin, self drifting car. But you got to admit the title of the article is why I put it in here watch Toyota self drifting carpet Vin Diesel out of a job I'm like Vin Diesel still has a job. Last I saw he was singing before the pandemic so I've never understood the lure of Vin Diesel but there you go. He was good in the first pitch black movie

Brian Schulmeister 21:58
I liked him in that the rest of them no and I've never seen a fast and furious movie say if you need to cast somebody to grunt just kind of stare off into space he's your man

Unknown Speaker 22:12
media Academy

Brian Schulmeister 22:14
I don't suppose you watch the Superbowl Did

Jason DeFillippo 22:16
you? I'm a puppy bowl kind of guy.

Brian Schulmeister 22:18
I figured Yeah. Well you didn't miss much it was incredibly boring and what I definitely what I definitely learned is that the Super Bowl one watch home alone by yourself is not worth its time at all

Jason DeFillippo 22:30
your family wasn't even there they they they don't

Brian Schulmeister 22:33
care like they were they were watching like stuff in the back bedroom. Whatever. So yeah, you kind of need to watch it with people that have some passing interest in sports ball and have the big party and all that otherwise it's just the but Reddit has aired its first Super Bowl spot celebrating the famous Wall Street bet subreddit it aired for exactly five seconds it was very Max Headroom esque kind of thing. So it showed the orange and white logo with you know they did of course the standard like you hear almost the the static in the in the record screech like this isn't supposed to be here we have into this kind of

Jason DeFillippo 23:07
shit we did in the 80s on CD ROMs.

Brian Schulmeister 23:09
Exactly. And it said if you're reading this, it means our bets paid off. One thing we learned from our communities last week is that underdogs can accomplish just about anything when we come together around a common area. Okay. That was basically it. Now I'd like to point out that Reddit is hardly an underdog No, call themselves the homepage of the internet. That does not sound like an underdog to me. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 23:31
I don't know, I think still owned by Conde Nast, or were they I think they were they sold off. But I don't know. Either way. They're not a dog. They're the big dog.

Brian Schulmeister 23:42
So I thought that was rather ironic. Moving on from that of this particular special, which forced me to go use Hulu, which still has an absolute terrific interface. It's gotten

Jason DeFillippo 23:53
better. It's got that said something that says something.

Brian Schulmeister 23:57
I mean, honestly, if you set five monkeys down and programming UI would have been better than what they had. And that's obviously what they did. So they did it. But this this, this show became a bit of a cost celebrity. It was posted everywhere. Everybody was talking about it. And I will just say I went to go watch it. It is Derek Delgado's in and of itself. I cannot talk about it because if I talk about it, it will ruin it. It was delightful.

Unknown Speaker 24:23
It was okay.

Brian Schulmeister 24:24
It was absolutely delight. absolutely delightful. Like gave me a bit of faith in humanity for a minute.

Jason DeFillippo 24:30
Yep. I actually went back last night and watched. There's the one segment in the middle about the wolf and the dog. I went back and rewatch that segment last night because I think that was for me the best segment of the show. Because that's just skill. I mean, that was just pure skill and fun to watch. So yeah, yeah, I've I can't, you know, recommend this more highly. It was just so much fun. So much fun. I wish I'd gotten to see it in in person on stage. I would have been a mindfuck Yeah, it was Very well done.

Brian Schulmeister 25:00
So the other thing that happened this last week the expanse season five finale.

Jason DeFillippo 25:05
Yes, it did.

Unknown Speaker 25:06
What do you think? Well, um,

Jason DeFillippo 25:09
there was there's definitely some spoiler alerts coming now, just so if you want to fast forward for five seconds, if you haven't seen five minutes, if you haven't seen it now, maybe five minutes. The thing about it is, I was so bored with the entire damn season. So there was at least some good stuff in in here. Yes, the the, the Alex twist was a little What the fuck, until later on, which we'll talk about in a second. And the very ending, though, I thought was phenomenal. And actually had to explain it to a friend of the shows. I'm not gonna even tell who it is because they might get embarrassed. But yes, I had to explain the ending to a couple a couple friends actually. And I was just like, I can't wait for next season now. Even though this one was boring. It's fuck. next season. I can't wait.

Brian Schulmeister 25:58
I feel like they were definitely treading water this season. They'd spent the entire time doing next to nothing but the the end. Yeah, I agree. They it was a good setup. It felt very Empire Strikes Back at the end. They're all just kind of sitting around and staring off into space. And you know, shits about to go down, right? Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 26:16
Well, then, I mean, the final scene is what?

Brian Schulmeister 26:20
Yeah, that's very good.

Jason DeFillippo 26:21
Yeah, just making sure you got it because the people I talked to didn't get that last scene. So it's like, yeah, that that was kind of important.

Brian Schulmeister 26:31
Little bit. Mm hmm. Now, here's the thing I don't get. There was a bit of a twist. Alex, I hope everybody's still spoiler alerting. skip ahead again, Alex dies. Now you and I have been big fans of the expanse since it started. We are on the internet's all the time looking for stories for our show. How did we miss the whole thing that this guy is an asshole, and basically got cancelled, and they had to write him the actor and had the right amount of the show. So of course, they killed him this season. How did we how are we not aware of this?

Jason DeFillippo 27:01
I have no idea because that happened back in November.

Brian Schulmeister 27:04
Yeah. I don't get it. Like we read the news constantly. We would have seen this. It was all over the place. Deadline reported in November that the show had been renewed for one final season. And that cast and var would not be returning for it. So obviously he's going to die.

Jason DeFillippo 27:18
Yeah. Whoops, missed that. Yeah, we're bad Internet people. Like

Brian Schulmeister 27:25
I just I am shocked that this one just kind of somehow eluded both of us.

Jason DeFillippo 27:31
Yeah. So it was, yeah, there was no spoilers for us. That's for sure. It's a bummer, though. Cuz he was my second favorite character. So yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 27:40
yeah. And quite an important character in the book moving forward to so obviously, this is going to vary wildly from the books moving forward. Well, I guess just one more season. So

Jason DeFillippo 27:50
yeah, well, hopefully, too. But we'll see the the thing about this is this, my faith in Hollywood has been shaken shook. I tell you that my faith in Hollywood has been shocked. Because this is like, you know, a mid level character and a mid level show. And Hollywood used to be really fucking good at covering shit up. You know, they used to be really good at it. You know, for the for the fans, they did it for the fans is what you can believe that if you want to, they did it to keep the damn show going and not screw it up. But you'd think that you know, okay, this guy he didn't. Yeah, he was creepy. He was a jerk. But he wasn't like criminally creepy. He wasn't a Weinstein, as far as I could tell.

Brian Schulmeister 28:32
So but, you know, you can't cover shit up anymore. I mean, those plucky underdogs, like Reddit, make it in the internet. You know, he used to, he used his his middling level of fame to basically try to get laid quite often.

Jason DeFillippo 28:49
Yeah, well, that's what you do when you get famous. That's kind of why you get famous, dammit. But

Brian Schulmeister 28:54
sometimes under aged targets.

Jason DeFillippo 28:57
Well, you know, that's the part where the cover ups come in. That's all I'm saying.

Brian Schulmeister 29:01
Well, I guess they were busy with Marilyn Manson.

Jason DeFillippo 29:04
It must have been too busy that week. Yeah. They're their nambla budget had been drained for the month so he didn't, couldn't get in on it.

Brian Schulmeister 29:12
By the way, where is the shouldn't Why Is anybody shocked and outraged that Marilyn Manson turns out to be a shitty dude.

Jason DeFillippo 29:18
I thought we all knew this already.

Brian Schulmeister 29:20
I thought this was common knowledge. Yeah, yeah. We

Jason DeFillippo 29:22
cleared this up a long time ago. Like, I mean, what's your name? rose? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The one that got all the plastic surgery. I can't remember name now.

Brian Schulmeister 29:35
Rose McGowan.

Jason DeFillippo 29:36
Rose McGowan. That's it. After Rose McGowan. We all knew that he was a shitbag. So why is anything new coming out about him that we didn't already know? anyway? I did watch fake famous on HBO. Max. And did you get a chance to check this one out?

Brian Schulmeister 29:52
Nope. Not going to don't care.

Jason DeFillippo 29:54
Good. Save your time. Save your money. Nick Bilton did this he's you know, a you Usually a Twitter historian and other stuff. He's been around for a long time. He wrote the Twitter book that I covered on the show that I thought was okay missed a bunch, but that's what it was. So he made a movie and he should have stuck to writing as far as I'm concerned. It could have been great there were there were moments that were he was on the path could have been great. He made some really bad casting decisions, some really stupid casting decisions, and just tried to be very vapid and surface level with a lot of this stuff. There was no real deepness to it so I'm gonna put a link in the show notes here to what HBO is fake famous doesn't understand about young people in influencer culture is by Judy Berman and her wrap up of the the movie is spot on perfect for I agree with everything in there. So if you want to check out a review before you waste your time on the movie, go read that one. If you want to waste your time on the movie, go for it. But it's nothing we don't already know being on the internet. You know, Anybody? Anybody with a fucking Tick Tock and Instagram account knows exactly what these people did. It's been out for a long time. So it was it was honestly a waste of an hour and a half.

Unknown Speaker 31:16
Cops and doodads

Brian Schulmeister 31:19
so my wife is still working for a big corporate Corporation type thingy and work from home is continuing and they've been very good about providing the occasional perk, including here is a large sum of money for you to buy something to up your work from home game. You can use it at these specific retailers and that's that. So we decided we needed a new monitor. I had a very, very old Dell second monitor that we were plugging into and my wife really wanted the curved monitor so we had X amount of dollars and I and a limited selection and I found the one that fit the exact amount of dollars that we had from our limited selection and purchased it. Okay, it is the Samsung LC three four j 791. wt NXZ, a 34 inch cJ 791 ultra wide curved gaming monitor, comma white. Yes. And it came and my god this is the biggest monitor I've ever seen in my entire life. And I would have potentially murdered someone certainly taken out their kneecaps to get a monitor like this about 20 years ago.

Jason DeFillippo 32:25
It's insane. So you posted about this on Discord. And I'm like, I looked at it and I'm like, Oh, that looks interesting. Because I had a Acer Cb 241 h YKBMJDP r x 23.8 inch IPS Ultra HD 4k 100% sRGB monitor with tilt, swivel pivot height adjustment and built in speakers, it was a piece of garbage. Acer monitors are garbage. So I'm like you know, I I we just got a little bit of money in I might go ahead and order one of these and I did immediately because you put this on discord at the witching hour, which I which I might say is after a few cocktails and before bedtime when you want Jason to purchase anything that is the time to post it. That is about it. I am I am supremely susceptible at that that hour so of course ordered it and it came two days later, and I unboxed it and was like holy shit. This thing. It's big.

Brian Schulmeister 33:29
It's massive. The

Jason DeFillippo 33:30
problem is my desk isn't wide enough for me to use it where I was going to use it because I was going to put it with my editing setup with my Yamaha monitors, my monitors have to be in a specific position. Well, if they're in that specific position with that monitor, they would be floating four feet off the ground in space. So I had to make some adjustments for it. But I have to say that the thing is beautiful. And it is the best editing monitor I've ever had in my life. I can have the widest logic project going on. It's just like it is here's the great part about it. It is actually going to make me money because I can edit faster with that monitor which means I can charge more and do more and pay it off faster and actually make money from it. So thank you.

Brian Schulmeister 34:18
Good technology.

Jason DeFillippo 34:19
That is that is it. I actually bought something that makes me money instead of sits on a on a shelf. I'm looking at you Oculus and yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 34:28
yeah, I mean this monitor is going to be perfect for me back in the office that we're building in Toronto where it will sit on a on a adjustable desk that has a very wide and can fit the monitor with everything else here. I have it attached to my very slim line. Stand up our desk that's in my room. The monitor is at least eight to 10 inches wider than the desk itself.

Jason DeFillippo 34:53
Yes,

Brian Schulmeister 34:54
it's I've had to kludge things around for especially for the podcast setup. I literally have my mic Boom is attached to my dresser that sits next to my desk because I can't fit it on the desk to get around the monitor to be able to talk into the mic. So it's a bit of a kludge here. But this thing is stunning. And it will make the perfect home office once we actually have everything set up. So yeah, I can't recommend this monitor enough. I've never used anything quite like it. I'm still trying to figure out window placement on it. Because like, I just have so much space and so many windows and oh my god, it's wonderful.

Jason DeFillippo 35:27
Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. Check out that piece of software called magnet. It lets you like pin certain things to different spots in your screen if you're trying to make some kind of standardized layout. Yeah, yeah, mine's on a massive Vera desk in my bedroom. So because I love my Vera desk, because I can just put all of this crap on one little platform and it takes up the entire width of extra space. So this little PreSonus studio monitors that I talked about on the show a while back I got those and they sit right underneath it

Brian Schulmeister 35:59
I've got to say the speakers in the monitor themselves. Not bad. I mean, obviously not as good as having anything like that but certainly beats the hell out of your laptop speakers.

Jason DeFillippo 36:08
Yeah. And the speakers in my Acer monitor that I get rid of a dead No. No, it was it was like the the speakerphone on a dangerous sidekick. It was about the quality of it. But then this came across the the the wire today too. And I think the 90s called and what their movie props back or we could have just got this. This is the Aurora seven prototype. And it comes with four ghannam for 17.3 inch monitors with 4k, and 737 inch screens at 1920 by 1200. And they're all in one laptop. It's in there and when you fold them in, I looked at the prototype they're held together by Velcro. The thing weighs 12 kilograms and has a running battery time of a whopping wait for it 40 minutes.

Brian Schulmeister 36:59
It looks so stupid. You're right, it does look straight out of some sort of 90 sci fi movie

Jason DeFillippo 37:05
or swordfish that movie swordfish. This is you can see Hugh Jackman typing away on this in swordfish or any shitty hackers clipart that you would ever want to see is ridiculous. Oh man, but yeah, I saw that I had to put that in here. And Brian, you might want to get one of these. They're cheap. They're easy. And if anybody has headphones that they you know, over the ear headphones. This is the anchor the original under desk headphone stand mount. It's just a little t hook that you stick under your desk and you hang your headphones on. I use these all the time, I had to get a new one for this new setup I have and I started tell people about it because they're important.

Brian Schulmeister 37:44
That will fit perfectly again with the Toronto office not with this small desk that is dwarfed by a large monitor.

Jason DeFillippo 37:51
Yep. And they're nice soft rubber. They're neat. They're neat. And I saw this kid I had to had to post this in here magtech magnesium which is what I take when I go to bed at night pop three of those I'm out like a light. So I had to go order some more. And I was reading the product description and I got down to the bottom and it said the world's first open source supplement company I'm like, oh, oh do Tell me more.

Brian Schulmeister 38:15
Tell me more I can make my own magnesium now.

Jason DeFillippo 38:18
Natural stacks open source transparency program provides ingredient traceability and third party lab test results for every batch it's powered by blockchain technology and support by health lock for trans I yeah, trademark I don't know if it's health lock or health log. I'm guessing it's health lock, since it's secured by for transparent tamper proof trusted data. So yes, my fucking vitamins are on the blockchain but they don't have a EULA. And

Brian Schulmeister 38:44
let me get this straight you take magnesium which is on the blockchain to go to bed and you're good to go lay down in your bed and fall asleep and your bed does have a EULA.

Jason DeFillippo 38:52
Yes, my bed has a EULA. Hi, we're so excited my vitamins are on the blockchain. But here's the funny thing. You know I started to make fun of this and I'm like wait a minute, this is exactly the use case you and I have said would be perfect for blockchain technology and lo and behold, here it is in my note and it

Brian Schulmeister 39:11
makes sense. I mean, this is how we can get around the I mean this is this is how you solve the the organics issues and things of that nature like when you can see where your food or your supplements or whatever where everything is coming from and it's open and transparent. That's a perfect use case for blockchain.

Unknown Speaker 39:30
The library

Brian Schulmeister 39:33
I finished heavens river by Dennis E. Taylor, the latest edition of the the Baba verse books. I was surprised we got a new one. I thought it had ended pretty well. But I was also delighted that we got a new one and I thoroughly enjoyed the story. And they've definitely teed it off for there to be more. I don't need more but I'm not going to complain. This isn't a story. This isn't a series that has worn out. Its welcome. I think the writers is just as good. I think the ideas are just as good. I think there's a lot more that he could still explore. So all hail Bob averse.

Jason DeFillippo 40:07
Yeah, and here's the funny thing. You know, Bob was in it.

Brian Schulmeister 40:11
Yeah, yeah. Which is great.

Jason DeFillippo 40:13
Yeah, it's not like the I don't know fucking laundry files where we haven't seen the main characters for how long now?

Brian Schulmeister 40:18
long enough that I don't care about that series any more than that I was actually going to point that out as well and in comparison to the laundry files, which I am done with the Baba verse has a lot more that they can do. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 40:30
yep, exactly. I like it. And I'm still listening to calling bullshit and you got to read this book, Brian. You're gonna love it. fucking hilarious. They go through everything and tear it down in a very humorous way. But as a as a psychologist kind of guy who dabbled in that in college. I think you will thoroughly enjoy the book. Excellent.

Unknown Speaker 40:56
Security.

Jason DeFillippo 41:00
We are joined again this week by Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the cyber wire podcast and also the co host of the social engineering podcast hacking humans with Joe Kerrigan, as well as the co host of caveat with Ben yelin, where they discuss law and policy as well as surveillance and privacy. Welcome back to shit, we got nothing to talk about Star Wars.

Unknown Speaker 41:20
That's right. That's right.

Brian Schulmeister 41:22
Well, to be fair, purists would argue there's a lot to be talking about with Star Wars, but we just don't do that comics are video games, actually is currently taking place.

Dave Bittner 41:33
There has always been like, we need a reason.

Jason DeFillippo 41:38
Have you had any update on your star? Stormtrooper quest?

Dave Bittner 41:43
Well, I mean, no, I think we're waiting on COVID. I mean, as I think last time, we talked to a very kind listener had had offered to finance the purchase of a stormtrooper uniform for me. And as much as I appreciate that, and yes, fantasize about it is it's it's a bit, I think it's a bit too much. So I think what we're gonna do is when we get out of COVID, we're going to I'm going to reach out to one of the local 500 firsts. And this kind listener is going to make a donation in our names in exchange for me being able to try on someone else's Stormtrooper outfit. You know, trot around in it, maybe do like a fundraiser event or something, just you know, spend some time in a stormtrooper outfit, which is really the thing that I'm I'm hoping to do. And that way, the money goes to a good cause I get to do the thing I've always wanted to do and, you know, everybody wins.

Brian Schulmeister 42:43
So that's where things stand, you know, of all the things that have been put on hold because of COVID I have families have not seen each other for over a year people are out of work. This is the one thing that I'm really hoping Hope it ends for.

Unknown Speaker 42:57
You and me both man.

Dave Bittner 43:01
You know, but uh, you know, had I mean, how awesome that we are our listeners are so kind and generous to be able to provide such a to provide such to, to finance such folly. Right.

Brian Schulmeister 43:15
I'm just looking forward to having lots of pictures and and show art for the years to come. Yes. Oh, there

Dave Bittner 43:21
will be pictures, there will be pictures count on it counted. And the hardest part is going to be that whoever the the poor 501st person is getting the thing back because I'm gonna, you know, try to make a break for

Unknown Speaker 43:34
a security cam video of you running down the street in the outfit. Right?

Unknown Speaker 43:39
Right. You'll never catch me.

Brian Schulmeister 43:41
Where's the landspeeder? hop

Dave Bittner 43:42
off? Right, right. There'll be using the force to pull me back. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 43:48
Alright, gents. Well, I want to start off with this one from the New York Times. It's an opinion piece called they stormed the Capitol, their apps track them something that we knew was going to happen, especially with everybody holding their phone up and taking all their photos. But we have seen this before with some of the leaked datasets that the New York Times had gotten. And also there was one at the beginning of the pandemic that basically made me give up on everything because it was so good, which was the the Florida party goers remember that one where they showed the kids on the beach at the beach in Florida when it was on lockdown. And then they showed them when they went home and disseminated across the country. And

Brian Schulmeister 44:29
but they were anonymized. Jason they were anonymized. That's

Dave Bittner 44:32
right. That's right. I just happened to sleep at a certain place every night at the same time. All night long. But well,

Brian Schulmeister 44:39
look, wait. We've

Dave Bittner 44:40
correlate that

Brian Schulmeister 44:41
we've been talking about this for at least I think three years three years ago around Thanksgiving time, was one of the first times I believe that we actually talked about it. And then Dave, you did you pointed that out as well. It's like, well, if they know where I sleep every single night, like how anonymized is this like it's got a be one of the people that lives within this house. Or it's a squirrel. They got my phone. Yeah.

Dave Bittner 45:06
Which in my house is a distinct possibility?

Jason DeFillippo 45:11
Oh, yeah. And then you correlate that with where they go where they spend their days. Okay, now I know where they work. Exactly. Yeah. Well, nowadays you can't do that. yet. Everybody's still working home. Same thing. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they got another data set from the, you know, the rush on the Capitol and basically did the same thing. Now on in this, this, they have a new twist on it now, because now the data that they come back, come with mobile advertising IDs, so they can now track it with other databases, and put it all together, which is makes it even easier. Thank you. Thank you for your mobile ID sauce. The one thing that they do say and in the article, which I thought was really good, was they talk about accuracy when it comes down to the Capitol riots, because it is very difficult to pinpoint accuracy. So you can't you can say somebody was at the Capitol,

Brian Schulmeister 46:03
but not and Pelosi is office. Exactly.

Jason DeFillippo 46:05
So then, like this data will get you you know, you know, there but that last mile problem is on law enforcement and going to Facebook. Yeah, exactly. But I thought it was a really good follow up piece.

Dave Bittner 46:19
Yeah, I wonder too, because I mean, you've got you've got GPS you've got, which is one has a certain amount of accuracy. Right? When not particularly high, and it even worse, I suppose when you're indoors, right? A building is big and thick and and made made of stone as the apparently not

Jason DeFillippo 46:39
impregnable. But they can made a stone? Well, they open their gates for you.

Dave Bittner 46:44
Yeah, there are glass parts of it. But, but then you've got Wi Fi networks. So I'd imagine as these folks were moving around, they were pinging the different Wi Fi access points. I wonder if they're, you know, same thing with Bluetooth. So I just the combination of all those things, probably gives law enforcement a lot more accuracy. I have to wonder, Is this the most well documented crime scene in history?

Jason DeFillippo 47:09
I think so.

Brian Schulmeister 47:10
If it was certainly the most well documented by the criminals themselves, right?

Unknown Speaker 47:16
Yes, that is a better way to put it. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 47:22
Dexter on this one?

Dave Bittner 47:26
history's greatest self pode. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 47:30
So my question when as we talk about this, and you know, we've known that this is so easy. How does this square with Tim Cook and apples position as we are the privacy phone? When so obviously, they are not no matter how hard they try?

Jason DeFillippo 47:46
Well, you can turn off those mobile advertising IDs on your phone. So they do not exist anymore. But yeah, I mean, it's it's baby steps. It's baby steps. They're trying but you know, there's it's a big hill to climb.

Brian Schulmeister 48:00
Yeah. Well, that's what we saw with her battle with his battle with Zuckerberg, you know, he's trying to force Facebook to follow certain privacy guidelines, and then they want nothing to do with it.

Dave Bittner 48:11
I think a lot of it, too, has to do with the mobile carriers where, you know, a lot of your location data comes from that. And didn't we see the I'm trying to remember the mobile carrier stopped selling that information when it was revealed that they did, right.

Jason DeFillippo 48:29
Maybe for the second or third time, but the first time they kept on going?

Brian Schulmeister 48:33
Yeah, the first night definitely kept going. So I think Yeah, yeah.

Dave Bittner 48:38
I mean, that's interesting. Well, because there's a there's a difference, there's a difference between being tracked to deliver advertising and being tracked for your, for your location. I suppose in some cases, it's a distinction without a difference button. In this case, it would make a difference?

Jason DeFillippo 48:56
Well, since I mean, in the real chilling effect comes when you know, they're tracking you for whatever purpose advertising that you've opted into blah, blah, blah, but then they own that data, and they sell that data to somebody like a mortgage company,

Brian Schulmeister 49:08
is the selling of data that that really bothers me. Like, that should be illegal.

Jason DeFillippo 49:12
You opted in so they can dine out? Yeah,

Dave Bittner 49:16
the thing that bugs me is when law enforcement gets around having to get a warrant by buying by purchasing it from companies that you granted permission to to have the data. To me, that's that's a troubling civil liberties issue that needs to be addressed head on sooner than later.

Jason DeFillippo 49:37
But who's gonna do that? I mean, the government wants the data. So why are they going to put in regulations to not get the data that

Brian Schulmeister 49:44
well, it's in some parts of the government want the data? some, you know, what, this is what we're supposed to have our house of representatives and senators for, we contact them and say, Hey, this is a no go. Can we do something about this?

Dave Bittner 49:56
Yeah, this is actually something Ben Yellen and I were chatting about on cash. We had a couple weeks ago, sort of the check your privilege kind of moment of a, it's great when the civil liberties of people we don't like are being trampled. But but it doesn't work. It doesn't work that way. So, you know, you just got to be careful with that sort of thing that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And, yeah, this is where we'd see, I think, where we're looking for some sort of national data privacy law, this would be one of the things we want to be addressed.

Brian Schulmeister 50:31
So that would be good to see. So we had another big story this week. And I'm not sure if we've learned anything new, since this just kind of broke yesterday. But what has long been a staple of many cyberpunk and dystopian sci fi books and something that many experts and podcasters such as ourselves, who are not experts at all have been screaming at the rafters about for a long time, it's the hacking of our infrastructure. And we've got a big story out of Florida computer hacker gained access to the water system of a city and tried to pump in a dangerous amount of a chemical. It's a basically lie, which in a small amount needs to be in the water to control acidity. But a large amount could have caused, as they say, major problems as ailing people. So a plant operator saw an attempt to access the system in the morning, and I love this part, but assumed it was the supervisor. Okay, and another attempt was made early in the afternoon. And this time, the hacker access the treatment software and increased the content from 100 parts per million to 11,100 parts per million, which is not good. None of this has gotten out. So they caught it in time they were able to save the Florida city, which wouldn't have happened in the sci fi books. no arrests have been made yet. And it is not known if the hack was done from within or the US or outside. But I'm sure that our best and brightest are on this one because this is terrifying. Yeah.

Dave Bittner 51:54
So a couple additional details. The software that they were using for remote access is called TeamViewer. has it done in Flash?

Brian Schulmeister 52:04
Sorry, we've had a bunch of stories about people have been going around and finding all the people that just ignored the warnings, the flashes going away and all these critical systems that were still running. Right, right.

Dave Bittner 52:15
Right. Right. Exactly. So yeah. Oddly enough, the hackers name was strong, bad.

Unknown Speaker 52:26
Nice.

Dave Bittner 52:32
Yeah, it's the last bit of affection we all have for flashes,

Brian Schulmeister 52:37
strong man. Only thing that people pull up there. But it gave us strong man. Yeah,

Dave Bittner 52:44
yeah. So it wasn't all bad. So this TeamViewer software is used for remote access. It's something, you know, legit piece of software very easy to use. This sort of remote access is not at all unusual for these sorts of systems, particularly these days with work from home, it's not unusual to be able to have the folks who work on these systems to be able to monitor them remotely, that's generally considered a good thing.

Brian Schulmeister 53:10
It's also not unusual to be loved by anyone. That is true.

Dave Bittner 53:18
In this case, obviously, whoever got in we battle, that's the next thing we have to figure out. They didn't, you know, probably didn't have multi factor enabled. So no one was in any immediate danger, they say that it would have taken between 24 and 36 hours for the chemical composition of the water to change to the degree where it could have been dangerous. There are multiple alarm systems in place that if the pH of the water gets thrown off that it'll that it will alert them it's possible that the bad guys could hackers say

Brian Schulmeister 53:54
that. Yes, that's that is

Dave Bittner 53:56
a part that is a real possibility. But a lot of folks are looking at this and saying this doesn't look like the work of a sophisticated actor. Because first of all, a sophist, one of the biggest giveaways is when you make someone else's mouse move, because that draws attention to itself. And people find that really creepy. And so sophisticated hackers tend to not do that they use the command line or use, you know, shell scripts or you know, the other things that they use, when I know that

Brian Schulmeister 54:27
that's actually supposed to make me feel better. But the fact that someone unsophisticated managed to get in doesn't really work as well.

Dave Bittner 54:34
No, that's I mean that Yes, you are. Absolutely that is a good point. Another point, I think, is that if it was someone sophisticated, they wouldn't have gone in and changed it from 100 to 11,100. Like they were leaning on the one key. You know, they probably would have changed it to 101 and stood back a little while and see if anybody noticed and then right there, they probably would have started out by trying to boil the frog and see how much could they get away with

Brian Schulmeister 55:04
these and other tips on the next episode of

Dave Bittner 55:07
Yeah. I mean, it could have been just somebody who, you know, went on showdown and found this thing was hanging out there wide open and decided to have some laughs and see what would happen. Could be a nation state actor who's getting in and testing our systems as a small town 15,000 people. Not that that, you know, makes that much of a difference is still 15,000 real people who were who could have potentially been put in harm's way but

Jason DeFillippo 55:36
afternoon of COVID here in Los Angeles, it's nothing.

Dave Bittner 55:41
We're also numb to do it was actually

Brian Schulmeister 55:45
from sparkletts water. Right. Right. Yeah.

Dave Bittner 55:51
So is it a big deal?

Unknown Speaker 55:53
Yeah.

Dave Bittner 55:55
I think there's been a lot of breathless reporting on this is, as always, you know, we're all gonna die. And I think that's a little overblown, but I think certainly, this requires a certain amount of attention, which will be paid to it. And hopefully, we'll find out soon, who was who was responsible.

Brian Schulmeister 56:13
I mean, I can't help but wonder and then this is just me being me is that I think it's a big deal, because this is at least the first case that we know of, or I would say the first case that has been reported of somebody breaking into a system like this.

Unknown Speaker 56:28
In the US.

Jason DeFillippo 56:29
Yeah, I was gonna say in the US.

Dave Bittner 56:31
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there was one in Israel. The past couple years. There was the remember there was that dam control system. And right in New York, there was that one. So people are poking around in these systems button. Yeah. In terms of actually affecting the chemical composition of water. Trying to make it dangerous. I think you're right. This is the first I can recall of that sort of thing. So

Jason DeFillippo 56:56
Kevin Costner trying to pitch Waterworld to maybe? Yeah, I'm

Dave Bittner 57:02
no chemist, but I was trying to look up yesterday, just how dangerous 11,000 parts per million of sodium hydroxide is, you know, where on the on the scale between water and drain? No. Where does that sit? And I could not find a good answer. So I don't know if any of our listeners are actual chemists are no this stuff could tell us. How caustic would this have been if you get to that level? Is that is that hey, this water tastes a little funny, or is this there's a hole been burned in my stomach?

Brian Schulmeister 57:36
I suppose we could ask the people of Flint, Michigan.

Jason DeFillippo 57:39
Or we could ask the FBI when they show up at your house tomorrow. Dave after seeing

Dave Bittner 57:50
my search, my search history with the stuff that I cover. Oh my

Jason DeFillippo 57:56
get mo in 10 minutes if you were a civilian.

Dave Bittner 57:59
Yeah, speaking of search histories, our next story,

Jason DeFillippo 58:02
oh, Pornhub will use biometric data to verify uploaders as part of ongoing safety updates. I mean, this one just writes itself. It's like do we even talk about

Dave Bittner 58:14
like, Yeah, what what what biometric data?

Jason DeFillippo 58:20
Oh my god. So they're going to be using a service called yati. Not to be confused with yatse which is what you say when you have finished a Pornhub video

Dave Bittner 58:32
is funny. I usually jump up and down and scream I won. I won. That's just me.

Jason DeFillippo 58:40
I gotta go with cleanup. But I'll do Pornhub is going to be partnering with these people to try and get an added layer of protection for their their upload or verification system. Now,

Unknown Speaker 58:56
huh? All right,

Jason DeFillippo 58:58
let's talk about what could go wrong and what could go right on the what could go right side? I've got a very short list of nothing. What can go wrong? Oh, just about everything like your future employment possibilities. What do you guys think?

Brian Schulmeister 59:14
I you know, again, it's it was always odd that they were doing this to begin with the fact that Pornhub is of all sites that I can think of that most people visit fairly often. is doing actual more verification than Facebook does for purse per se. The fact I don't know, you know, is is that a good thing? I suppose. I mean, they're they're trying to combat trafficking. They're trying to combat abuse. They're trying to combat a gazillion other things. Copyright dude, do copyright. Do I need my porn verified? I don't know. I guess so. It just like you said, Jason. I don't see a lot of pluses here and I see a lot of what could possibly go wrong.

Jason DeFillippo 59:58
I think a lot of this comes back to To the fact that MasterCard and Visa has blocked them, so they can't get payments. And there are a lot of those take Bitcoin.

Yeah. Good point, Bitcoin.

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:09
There we go a new cyber currency. That's that one's for free.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:14
But there are a lot of people that do make a living on there. And that is how they, you know, earn money hearing these these troubling times. And they're trying, I suppose,

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:23
like they are the people that are verified and make a living, and this is what they do, are they bothered by this verification level? Or is it just, it's part of their job, it's what they do for a living?

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:36
Well, I don't think they're going to be bothered by it. And you know, they are getting probably 1099 from Pornhub, with all the money that they're making. So they're gonna have to have socials or Ei ends on file. So there's your verification right there for a lot of it. Yeah, you know, if the whole point of this is that people are uploading videos to Pornhub to make money, there's a financial trail there that that should be the verification me holding up a picture of my driver's license. You know, when I'm 35 pounds heavier and had really bad hair. I still have really bad hair. But anyway, that's not going to really prove anything.

Brian Schulmeister 1:01:12
I mean, I can actually yeah, that's a that's a phenomenal point. I mean, that goes to the say the same way that we have set up PayPal and Patreon for our donations, we have to provide financial information. And there you go. That's that's verification. Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:26
So why not just do that?

Dave Bittner 1:01:28
But wouldn't you have to provide ID you know, back in the old days, if you're a traditional porn actor, wouldn't you have to provide proof that you're of age? Wasn't that a thing? Yeah. You see, you know, the head end of the videos, just I've been told that it includes a section that says that there's someone who is the trustee who keeps all of the paperwork that that verifies everyone is of age.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:53
Yep, that and every photoshoot that we ever did in the business, the first chrome on that, that pit those pages and by pages of slides. The first one was the actor holding up their driver's license next to their face. So we had we had proof that everybody was of age before we took a single other frame of film. And, you know, that's that, but that's the legitimate porn industry. This is Pornhub. So I can see where they're probably catching up, because it's, you know, the other thing is, are people paying money on Pornhub? The head scratcher from the get guns like, why, why? It's free? Isn't that the genius? But yeah, I understand how it works. And, you know, it just seems like there have to be better ways to do this than trying to use any kind of biometric ID.

Dave Bittner 1:02:43
I was just, just earlier today, I was talking to a researcher, we were talking about deep fakes and that some of the cryptocurrency exchanges, they will ask you to submit a video of yourself. If you want to get access to an account a cryptocurrency account as verification, they will, they aren't, let's say they already have your ID, they have your driver's license, whatever. But as sort of a not quite real time verification, they'll ask you to send a video of yourself, you know, face the camera face to the right face to the left, hold up a piece of paper that says I am who I say I am that sort of thing. And there are a couple of companies who have sprung up who are offering deep fakes as a service to help get around these things. So if I'm trying to let's say, Jason, let's say I'm trying to break into your Bitcoin account, I can hire this organization to create a deep fake of you doing the things that these companies request in the video request. And it'll look just like you

Unknown Speaker 1:03:57
that's an interesting

Dave Bittner 1:03:58
interesting point. 100 bucks Yeah. Wow. 100 bucks, and you can have that done to get access to your cryptocurrency interest. Oh, and

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:07
one other interesting thing on the trying to break into cryptocurrency somebody tried to break into Kevin Rose's crypto account last week, and he's like silly rabbits. I don't use my real email address. And this is where he's, he's like, I don't use my real email address. Everything's in cold storage. And I have a three day lockdown period for any withdrawals. So I'm notified as soon as a withdrawal is set up. So I have three days to fix it. I'm like, Why did you tell him that? Why don't you?

explain to you my friend.

Dave Bittner 1:04:44
gets here every time doesn't it? hubris gets you every time.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:47
Yep. I am so good. I'm that good. Well, let's try it out. That's the next step. Right game on Kevin Rose. Mm hmm. So Yeah, that that deep fakes is a service was not something I had anticipated this this soon Well, I thought it took longer to make them.

Brian Schulmeister 1:05:09
It's it No, it's pretty fast these days that the software out there has gotten incredibly sophisticated very, very quickly, which is right but terrifying. You know, we've talked about it for a couple years now saying that very, very soon. video evidence is going to mean absolutely fucking nothing. And

Dave Bittner 1:05:25
we got a video sent to us. Last week that was a one of the new cloud providers is providing access to GPUs. So you can buy time on GPUs. And what they sent around was a video of seen from the fly where Jeff Goldblum does the transport, except they they replaced him with the guy for Mr. Robot.

Unknown Speaker 1:05:52
I forget who that is Randy Malik. Ramey man, there you go.

Dave Bittner 1:05:56
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So but that was a promotion of this cloud company's ability to basically you can buy as many GPUs as you need very inexpensively to do this sort of thing. So the infrastructure is there just a matter of making it affordable? And evidently, it is,

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:15
you know why it's affordable, gently. It's

Unknown Speaker 1:06:17
legal Bitcoin.

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:19
That's why it's affordable. Because everybody, everybody keeps upgrading their Bitcoin miners. So these really nice GPUs get thrown on the market for secondhand and you can buy them for you know, a 10th of what they originally cost and you can make a GPU farm out of those to just do regular video rendering instead of trying to mine Bitcoin. So that that's a little side market. Thanks, Bitcoin for that. Yeah, yeah.

Dave Bittner 1:06:46
Interesting times.

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:47
Interesting times. Well, I'm going to go make a deep fake of Dave and a stormtrooper outfit shouldn't be that hard.

Dave Bittner 1:06:55
It's not that hard to do.

Brian Schulmeister 1:06:56
I think you can do that. You can do that over a jib jab. That's exactly right.

Jason DeFillippo 1:07:05
Oh, no. Yeah, Jim. Jim can't be used anymore. It's gone has to be Oh,

Brian Schulmeister 1:07:11
right. Right.

Dave Bittner 1:07:14
He moved. Back.

Jason DeFillippo 1:07:21
over at Patreon, we've got Darren sleep too little and fakie. MC made up. Thank you. Thank you MC made up over a paper. I've got David breed Andrew, Ralph, Mark. And Michael,

Brian Schulmeister 1:07:31
thank you all so much. Over on Twitter. We didn't have too much this week. I see you put this one in because you know, it agrees with your opinion. Ma 6502 writes in I've been hating the end of the stand for 35 years. I'm team JP deaf, most deaf.

Jason DeFillippo 1:07:44
All right. It's my man.

Brian Schulmeister 1:07:46
Now. So I didn't talk about the stand. Media candy because it's not done yet. We have one episode to go. But this seems like a I might as well talk about it here. Right. So here we are. The episode that just aired. And again, spoiler alerts, if you have not read a book that's been around for 35 years, or seen the first iteration of the miniseries or haven't been watching the next generation of the miniseries, I'm not spoiling anything for you. Because obviously you don't give a shit about the stand. So you've had time. They fixed a bit of this in the in the latest one, the it's not a hand of God coming down to touch the nuke anymore, it's the special effects have come along, they must be using that monitor with the seven, seven screens on the screen. Screen laptop for the special effects on this one, it was a lot better. However, as a whole, the miniseries sucks, it's just it speeds over everything. It's It's too short, they have the character development is gone. Half the good stories are gone. All the little nuggets that make it really great are gone in the interest of speeding up the story. I'm kind of bummed out about it. There's one episode left, which is going to be the wrap up and Aftermath and all that but they did fix the scene is a lot better. Now. Having said all of that, I will say to everybody that hates the end of the stand because it's a because God basically shows up and helps. That was the whole fucking point of the book.

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:09
That's not why I hated it. So that doesn't matter to me.

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:12
All right, fine, because a lot of people say that that's the part that they hate. And for me, it's like, okay, so you bought in on the fact that there was mother Abigail, who's talking to God, and then there's the dark man who is obviously the Satan's representative on earth. And they talk about how the good guys have to go make a stand. And speaking of that, no fucking stand was made in this miniseries. As

Unknown Speaker 1:09:33
opposed to the book, Ronald D. Moore make it

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:35
I feel like it because you sure you have the good guys head towards Las Vegas, but in the book and in the first miniseries, they actually take a fucking stand. There was no stand taken in this miniseries and the title of the fucking miniseries is the stand, like that part bother me. Yeah. Anyways, if you're buying it on this whole premise, then you have to buy in on the fact that God is eventually going to step in and say, well, they took the stand. So now I'm going to help them out. Yes. Oh,

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:03
no, that's not the part that bothered me about the ending of the book at all. I expected God to show up. That was the point. I got that part. It was way way stuff. But it's, I mean, it was a 48 hour audio book. And so I was at 800 and some odd pages, something like that. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:19
yeah, you did do the extended crazy edition.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:21
Yeah. But it was I wanted the extended crazy edition because those generally tend to be better. And so you take a 48 hour book and turn it into what an eight hour less than that with commercial breaks in it, you know, or time for commercials. It's not going to be the same you're cutting out a lot and even in that first episode, they cut out a lot of the stuff that I actually wanted to see So Mike f like it. Yeah, that in that whole like, you know, moving timelines around, and not for me,

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:50
I hate that. That's what everybody does now sucks.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:53
Yeah, I still hate okay over a Gog show. Rafa writes in quant fund or metal band.

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:00
I played this website.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:02
Yep, I played this last night. I suck at it. At a 10% hit rate. It is very difficult to tell. It's extremely difficult to tell. So it's fun

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:14
give it a few minutes. Barrett writes in from the I just give up already filed next step will be to find a way to target the indigenous tribes with malware hidden in smoke signals. And this is from bleeping computer. A new phishing attack uses Morse code to hide malicious URLs. This is ingenious.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:29
It is pretty pretty crafty. I got to give them that's pretty

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:31
crafty. This is worth reading. It basically translates letters and numbers encoded into a series of dots and dashes and then uses some JavaScript Of course to unwieldy all that and screw up your computer.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:44
Yeah, but it's it's clever as fuck I can't mess it is totally and Gerard writes in recently discovered your show on Spotify and really enjoy it. Well, welcome to the club Gerard. Not sure if I qualify as a grumpy old geek but I'm definitely a cynical next aired, but I'm definitely a cynical Gen Xer who's way too into dorky things. Case in point I used my COVID lockdown to write a satirical sci fi about potatoes it's also about social media world domination mind control popular culture Ancient Aliens and fast food but mostly potatoes. It's called God squatter and I think you guys might dig it, so go check that out at Gods squatter calm it sounds pretty

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:21
good enough. Yep, yeah. Sleep too little writes in so I'm a little behind on the shows thanks to a nice stay in the hospital with COVID sponsored by my Trump believing no mask wearing Facebook knows all the truth COVID denying even when she has it mother in law that lives with us. But I digress. I'm back at work. And I believe Jason mentioned that he was having some sort of issue with his airpod Pro on show 488 I was also having issues with mine with the controls not working right and the noise canceling acting up randomly. I just figured it was the noise in the truck was too much for at times for it. cheaply made semi trucks and road construction play hell on one's hearing I found this link by accident when I was trying to replace one of my earpieces after my dog found out how yummy they are. I did have to pay for the one my dog chewed on. But that was done via mail. And I took the other one to worse by because Apple shut down the two stores they had in my area. They did their little test on it found it to be defective per recall and ordered me a new one. In a few days I finally had to working airpod pros at no cost other than that I had to go to war spy keep on grumping. And remember kids max mask up so we don't end up ass up in the grave. This is the AirPods pro service program for sound issues.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:26
Well, thank you very much sleep too little. I'm glad that you're feeling better now. Yep. Carol writes in hi guys hope you're good. I'm writing because it's getting more and more common for people to think that after vaccinating we won't have to wear masks anymore. I heard Brian say that in the latest episode, if I'm not mistaken. I

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:43
believe you're mistaken.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:44
Yep. You're definitely mistakenly did not say that. Yes, I just want to let you know that it probably won't be that easy. It's likely that after the current vaccines, you can still get a low viral load in your mouth and nose, but it won't infect you further. snicker Shut up. But this turn your head. But this also means it could possibly spread to others. If you're interested. They covered it in Episode 811 of the skeptics guide podcast. It starts at 49 minutes. And yeah, now we're gonna have masks for forever.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:14
Yeah, I did. I'm sure I didn't say that. There's no way I said I'm well aware of the fact that we're gonna have to be masks for at least another year. Speaking of that Gog dot show slash shop.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:24
You have to net your mask.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:26
Yeah, I mean, what I am hoping for, you know, best case scenario is I'm hoping by like Christmas time with everybody in my immediate family vaccinated. We'll be able to have a Christmas dinner indoors without masks with just my family that is vaccinated. But out in public, I'm grocery shopping, things like that you're going to be I expect mass for at least another year.

Jason DeFillippo 1:14:47
I'm wearing one forever, man. I kind of like not getting a cold. It's great.

Brian Schulmeister 1:14:51
Well, you know, that's prevalent in Asian cultures. You see that especially if people and people are starting to feel sick at all they they wear a mask to protect other people because You know, nice,

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:01
yeah, but we're in the United States people don't do things nice for other people. I found a link over at CNN that my, my friend sent me and it says I've had COVID I've had the COVID-19 vaccine. Now what can i safely do your questions answered and it is actually a really good write up. So I recommend everybody go read that doesn't matter who just go read it. So you know.

Brian Schulmeister 1:15:21
Yep. And Elon Musk's wife Grimes writes in? What if home security cameras had an option to only give footage to police in rare cases, such as child abduction, knowing how hard it can be to place trust in authorities with that lack of trust outweigh the seemingly insignificant chance of giving this footage could potentially help save a child we have a mechanism for this it's called a warrant.

Jason DeFillippo 1:15:43
We have warrants and still right now they still have to ask for it. There's no there's no like give it to them filter they have to come ask you for even if you opt into the programs, they have to come ask nicely they can you know they can what they can do on their end is they can see where a crime was committed. And then they can look at the the area map and see who's got ring cameras in that area. And then they can come ask you if you opted in and say hey, we noticed there was a crime you know, two houses down can we get your footage from this time to this time to see if we can find a suspect. Barring that they can come and subpoena you and you can get the get the footage for they can get the footage from Amazon without you even being involved at some point. I'm probably sure but yeah, yeah. And Nosek writes in in case you haven't heard this yet, this is pretty great. This is disturbed the sound of silence, which is a parody of the social distance, or the other way around, because I haven't listened to it yet. So I can't tell. Yeah, but let's do it. Alright, well, it's in the show notes been a little busy this week. But check it out.

Brian Schulmeister 1:16:46
And over on iTunes, we have a five star rating from Trev to well produced an entertaining podcast, which is as grumpy, old and geeky, as it says on the tin, probably why I enjoy it definitely made it to the top of my playlist when it comes out each week from a longtime Australian listener. Well, thank you very much. And

Jason DeFillippo 1:17:02
kallmann tree hugging swamp ass gave us a two star saying it's just to political. If I wanted politics, I would subscribe to it. These two are interesting.

Brian Schulmeister 1:17:12
Using and I also do want to point out that he wrote it's just too political twice. And he spelled two in two different ways.

Jason DeFillippo 1:17:20
Yeah, I mean, that happened. He redeemed himself by saying these two are interesting. Okay, so I'll give them that. Just, you know, stick around. It's getting better. It's getting better.

Brian Schulmeister 1:17:31
Yeah, it is. If you want your question or comment right on the show, head over to Gog dot show slash contact and send us your feedback or questions that we can read on the air. And if you're so inclined, please head over to Gog dot show slash review, and toss us a five star and snarky review.

Jason DeFillippo 1:17:44
And if you're still listening to us on overcast, just throw some stars. Why not get us back in the listings? We could use it. It's been a little dire over here. A big shout out to a friend of the show MX v on a speedy recovery from his surgery. He got surgery yesterday and they kept him overnight, which was not part of the plan. So hopefully everything is going okay, and he'll be back home soon. And listening to his vinyl records. As always, I

Brian Schulmeister 1:18:13
hope he's good. I know that that record player elbow can be a touchy, touchy thing.

Jason DeFillippo 1:18:19
Well, he had robot surgery, so we were joking. Like I hope they didn't install any malware.

Brian Schulmeister 1:18:24
That's funny. Until next time, I'm Brian Shaw Meister.

Jason DeFillippo 1:18:27
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