NFT bubble grows; music & art blockchain applications; Banksy Morons; NFTs are the new eggs; ChiaCoin; Google eats their cookies; gig worker shortage; UBI seems to work; Facebook SEER AI; McAfee crypto fraud; Square aquires Tidal; Patrice O’Neal; Condor; Jungle Books; Coming to America 2; teleprompter gear; ripping audio; deep fakes are the new eggs; Solarwinds throws an intern under the bus; TALON; feedback.
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IN THE NEWS
APPS & DOODADS
MORON OF THE WEEK
Robert Fogarty 0:02
Grumpy Old Geeks a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFillippo discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet. And who's to blame.
Jason DeFillippo 0:16
Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, I'm Jason DeFillippo.
Brian Schulmeister 0:19
And I'm Brian Schulmeister Have you had an NFT week?
Jason DeFillippo 0:22
Yeah, let's have some NFT follow talk.
Brian Schulmeister 0:26
The only thing out there in tech news this week and general news in general. You know, something's jumped the shark when Lindsay Lohan is releasing NF Ts.
Jason DeFillippo 0:37
Yeah, no, I did a lot of research on NFT's this week because I did an episode of Lochhead on marketing that we recorded that comes out same day, this show comes out where I swear a lot about NFT. so
Brian Schulmeister 0:51
well, there's been some news, obviously, I if you're a new listener to the show, I come from a music business background. So that is my particular focus, especially when I'm looking around at news and I found the Rolling Stone Field Guide to musics potential crypto boom, which is an interesting article talking about it. You know, we've spent a lot of time on the show, obviously, talking a bit about the music business and about how, you know, streaming has basically screwed artists. They're not getting paid anything, basically. And then COVID hit because the only way musicians were making money was touring, and they can't tour right now. So good time for NFT's to roll out for musicians, maybe a way to put up a tchotchke that people will pay for and own and that's an air quotes. So they talk a little bit about this. And the thought experiments go beyond just what we're thinking about which is you know, the Kings of Leon releasing a song or something or Grimes witnessing her artwork with dubiously licensed music behind it. Not entirely. You know, as you get older, your your your professional circles change a bit. My circles used to be the musicians and the roadies and things of that nature. Now, it's the music lawyers who are all scratching their heads and FDS. And going You got to be kidding me to deal with this is what it is. So the but in this article, they talk about what if there was a merge royalty, so the artists got to cut every time a branded hoodie or a piece of art was resold or a system to ensure accurate paychecks for musicians. I like the idea of the transparency of being able to see where the music comes from and goes to or the money and all that. And we're like a merchant royalty. Now hold on. If I buy a fucking t shirt, don't now I no longer even own the T shirt is basically what I'm being told. If I go to a show and I buy a T shirt, I no longer completely own the shirt. And if I sell the shirt to somebody, now I have to pay you a buck or two as well. This is getting fucking stupid. Like I get a little
Jason DeFillippo 2:59
Brian Schulmeister 3:00
getting a bit a bit ridiculous. So but it does kind of get into a bit of the finances and in terms of artists revenue streams for merchandise, touring, licensing, streaming, royalties, performance, royalties, all that sort of stuff. It does exist in kind of a muck, and so much to the point that basically, you know, as an artist, you have to hire accountants and managers and all that sort of stuff to basically audit your record label every couple of years because that's the only way you're actually going to get paid because you don't actually see what's going on. And the idea that basically blockchain not NF T's specifically, but just blockchain being applied to that whole process would increase transparency, which I like. I like that idea. That makes a lot of sense. The other idea here, which again, it doesn't have to be an NF T, it could just be blockchain would be that it would basically kill the scalping ticket market. If you can hold tickets within the blockchain, then there is transparency as to who owns it and why and it would basically, theoretically, kill the scalping market. Okay. I like that. Fair enough. But again, doesn't require an NFT just requires putting things on the blockchain. So there's transparency,
Jason DeFillippo 4:13
right? Yeah. You make a private blockchain and music business only blockchain
Brian Schulmeister 4:18
or a blockchain like an artist specific blockchain. Every artist could have their own blockchain now.
Jason DeFillippo 4:23
Oh, great. Yay.
We need I don't think you're you're you're in the spirit of the show here. Brian. We want less blockchain not more, as far as I can remember. So I did try and buy that Kings of Leon album, okay. And I was going through the process and the process is not for Mere Mortals. You know, you thought it was hard to get a COVID vaccine. Oh my god. You have to set up you know, you have to get your ether wallet and I set up meta mask and all this crap and got it all done. And then I went to go buy some, some ether. So because you can't just pay cash, you know, that's the guess. against the whole point, they couldn't just do it right at the door and say here, you know, convert some cash into a fucking album for me No, and go buy ether and so to buy $100 in ether was going to cost me 950 in just transaction fees. Hmm. So I like Ticketmaster would be proud on that one. So yes, I abandoned that that silly nest right there. And I'm like, I don't even like Kings of Leon. So, you know, if it was at least a band I liked, it might have gone a little bit farther. But yeah, the joke for the bit was really not the juice wasn't worth the squeeze on that, for sure. Especially wasn't worth 950. And just transactions alone.
Brian Schulmeister 5:38
Now. That's ridiculous. Of course. Yeah.
Jason DeFillippo 5:40
Yeah. But he would have been anonymous. And this is one thing I talked about on the episode with Chris Lochhead is that, you know, all of these transactions are, quote, unquote, anonymous. So let's say I'm an artist, and I put some pieces out there and I start buying up my own art under pseudonyms, just to jack the price up. And over time, it's just a game of hot potato. So the first person to actually buy that piece of art is then stuck as the owner after I've completely inflated the price. Artificially, I expect to see that happening for sure. You know, yeah, it's just there's it's so it's such a silly, silly thing. And this is this is what really just kind of broke my heart. Some guy took an actual Banksy, a certified piece of Banksy art, burned it, but not before scanning it and creating an NF t out of it and then sold the NF T. Right. And I do think it is, you know, completely appropriate that the piece in question was called morons. Because it just keeps it keeps it alive because the pieces of an art auction, so you can't get more meta than this. But it's sold for $379,000.
Brian Schulmeister 6:52
Okay, well, that's a bargain price, because you can buy jack Dorsey's first ever tweet for 2.5 million. I was gonna say it just keeps getting better from there. This is getting so ridiculously stupid. Yes, it is his first tweet, which says just setting up my twatter tw t tr, from 2006. And you can he put it up on Friday with a link to a digital platform called valuables that allows for the buying and selling of tweets autographed by the creators talk about a name being the exact opposite of what it is because yeah, that shit ain't valuable at all. Nope, in no way shape or form. So yeah, you can buy the first ever tweet.
Jason DeFillippo 7:33
Yeah. And guess who else jumped into the the sell your tweets market, which of course you knew this was coming. Ilan musk says he needs the money.
Brian Schulmeister 7:43
Like I have a rant coming, which will address this very specifically.
Jason DeFillippo 7:49
I have a follow up as well. And and you know, since it is on the blockchain, and we've talked about how Bitcoin in particular is so terrible for the environment aetherium also not that great for the environment as well. So there is we now have the new eggs, right NFT good for the environment or bad for the environment? Or is it bad for the environment or batter batter batter for the environment? I wired had an article called NFT's are hot so is their effect on the Earth's climate. But then over at medium, there was a piece that actually did a pretty good job of debunking everybody's case that NF T's are going to basically ruin the world as we know it. That says that the way aetherium works is think of it is a train that just is always going. And you know, it's the name
Brian Schulmeister 8:39
of that show. snowpiercer Yeah, snowpiercer.
Jason DeFillippo 8:43
That's it on the blockchain, and if there are empty seats, the train still keeps going. But if you put transactions on the train, it doesn't take up any more actual energy from the train, because the train is still already going. Where it comes down to it is I think a lot of people are saying that, you know, they're equating the mining of the coin, and they're taking that into account, but you mind the coin once, and then then there's just the, you know, the fractional transaction cost as it goes forward. It's like saying, I'm deforesting, you know, the rain forest because they use paper to print currency. And every time I use that currency, I lose another tree. And that's just not how it actually works. You know, once once that thing is done, it's made, it's created, that energy is gone. But yes, there are transaction costs that go along with it. But those are minuscule compared to what it takes to actually mine the currency. Right? Talk about more currency mining in a moment. But yeah. All right. So
Brian Schulmeister 9:40
let's pass judgment on NFT's here. So my take on this is that they have potential maybe in the future. There are a lot of aspects about blockchain in the music industry that I like, but I don't see music fans rushing to purchase NFT's from artists look, you can't get fucking anybody to buy anything from an artist at this point. So it's very Small Scale stuff, transparency and payments for artists and labels and everyone else in the money chain I see as good killing the scalper and secondary ticket market would be good. buying some bullshit NFT of Grimes artwork to support an artist stupid, fix the way artists get paid for what they actually do when we don't need this shit at all. And as far as NFT's in general, to me, this seems like a rich get richer scheme. We've seen very rich people getting very rich, putting up NFT's, the main people profiting off them so far already rich and famous, because you know, that's the way it works. Sure, some digital artists happened to be in the right place at the right time and just scored a big windfall, but I'd be fucking shocked if anyone gives a shit about these things. Any more than your average person gives a shit about cryptocurrency in general.
Jason DeFillippo 10:47
So yes, the rich get richer is definitely what's going on here right now. And I talked to my dad who's you know, been in the fine art sales, you know, business like literal business for over 35 years. And he's like, yeah, this is not surprising. art collectors always want the cool new thing, they want to be the first to do anything, and they want to have bragging rights about it. And that's never gonna change. And he sees it as a fad. Which we all agree on that I'm pretty sure everybody agrees at this point. It's a fad, if you're, unless you're one of the millionaires who are making more millions. And he's like, yeah, a lot of people are gonna get suckered by this, and a lot of people are gonna lose a lot of money, which is what we've been saying as well. So an actual art professional is on our side with this one. And, you know, I am worried this this is what really worries me is that a lot of people who missed out on the blockchain or the Bitcoin rush, are going to see this as a way to jump in and maybe get a piece of that action. Yeah, because that's a new thing. Yeah,
Brian Schulmeister 11:47
yeah, that's 100% why this is so much bigger than than even you know, Bitcoin was when it first came out. It's everybody feels like they got left out, they get the, they didn't quite make their bones on GameStop. And everybody's about making a quick buck right now. And everybody wants to get in on this.
Jason DeFillippo 12:02
Yeah. And if you just look at open seas, rate of new NFT's being minted and put on the service, it is going to be I mean, this is an epic shark fin moment, it's you look at it, it is a shark fin big time it is going to be very steep. And it is going to fall very, very quickly. Once people realize that no, nobody's gonna buy your gift. So just be really, really careful out there people seriously because just don't waste your money on it. It's a fad. I give it you know, three months at the most before the new cycle has completely forgotten about it, it might pop its head up here and there again, but this thing is dead in the water
Brian Schulmeister 12:41
deadline had a really funny article, particularly about the Kings of Leon album on NFT. For those of us old enough, and those listeners that haven't only existed in the streaming world, but those of us that remember, oh, I don't know, maybe being young and having an album and then having compact discs and then oh, somewhere in between there was cassettes, and then all of a sudden, we were ripping everything and then we gave up on that and we just started streaming. For those of us in this age group, I like this particular quote, and said in the deadline articles, so go ahead and buy the Kings of Leon NFT. And maybe someday we're worth a lot. Just like that digital Compact Cassette holding open your door it will likely offer perfect sound forever. As was promised at the dawn of the Compact Disc age that was before it was discovered that CDs degrade over time because their recording layers are made with a die that is extremely photo sensitive. So it may not be worth anything. And as a final note, as we were putting together this segment I did search and I am shocked and amazed that Amanda fucking Palmer has not done an NFT yet. But Jason you will be delighted to know that she has launched a podcast
Jason DeFillippo 13:47
great, great just what I wanted just what I wanted for Christmas God and one little bit of follow up from E brown 16 over on discord we kind of pooped a little bit on Turkish Airlines last week because I didn't do any research out it just sounded terrifying to me. He said that it's a super nice and part of Star Alliance it's got a way better premium product over the Atlantic than most us airlines which obviously is not hard low bar unfortunately united is in the Star Alliance and I think maybe they relaxed the the membership requirements for that one because united
Brian Schulmeister 14:25
Yeah, I was a I was a member of the Star Alliance for a long time they have that their rewards program you know, remember back when we could travel and all that. Yeah. And yeah, the biggest bummer of all of it was that I would have to fly united domestic.
Robert Fogarty 14:42
In the News
Jason DeFillippo 14:48
well, even though we just shot all over NFT you crypto bros out there who missed out on the first round of Bitcoin you're in luck, because here we go again. Are you ready for the CI and network Brian? No, chia, chia, near Bram Cohen is behind this one. Bram Cohen is the inventor of BitTorrent. So he has decided to jump in here and create a cryptocurrency that is not is bad for the environment.
Brian Schulmeister 15:17
Okay, he has a long history of stealing things.
Jason DeFillippo 15:20
Yes, he does, he does. So what this one does, you can actually start mining now, I guess. You give up hard drive space on your computer. And what it what it kind of does here from what I've gathered from a couple sources here. Basically, it fills up that hard drive space with like bingo cards. So if you have you know, more bingo cards, you have more chances of getting a bingo. It's just just like, you know, go into play bingo, it did the, you know, with the veterans Hall, the more cards you have, the bigger the chance you get. And that's how they farm and the the chia coin, okay. And, yeah, that's kind of it. That's kind of it. Not gonna be doing that. I, I found this from Mark Frauen Felder's magnet newsletter, which I thoroughly enjoy and pay for. So I recommend everybody does that because the support mark. But yeah, he's the one that put it on here. And he said he was thinking about going to get a 12 terabyte hard drive and hooking it up to a Raspberry Pi. So it's a low energy mining rig. Alright. And yeah, I don't know if that's actually not a bad idea just to hedge your bets.
Brian Schulmeister 16:34
No, I'm not on board with any of this stuff. I think it's all stupid.
Jason DeFillippo 16:37
Okay, how much did you make off your last Bitcoin run?
Brian Schulmeister 16:41
I mean, 300 bucks.
Jason DeFillippo 16:42
There you go. So it's, you know, it's something
Brian Schulmeister 16:45
not much. Let's be honest.
All right, in real news, not this bullshit. Google is going to stop selling ads based on your specific web browsing the alphabet Inc. company said on Wednesday that it plans to stop using or investing in tracking technologies that uniquely identify web users as they move from site to site across the internet. It's a big call from a big company, they they are one of the biggest out there, they accounted for 52% of last year's global digital ad spending of $292 billion, according to jounce media, which is a digital ad consultancy. So they haven't been terribly specific about what they're going to replace it with. And they there's a big caveat here. We will not be tracking you across other websites. But anything that we own, we will track you across. And we will call that first party data. And since they own some of the biggest sites on the internet, YouTube and Google search to begin with, they're not exactly going to be losing out on much of their data. It's other people that will be losing out on a lot of data. So yeah,
Jason DeFillippo 17:49
that 52% just went up to 62%. Yeah, well, ad spend. I've read a lot about this, and a lot of people have come to the exact same conclusion, yours truly included is that they wouldn't be jumping on this unless they had something better in the wings. And that's what they've got. So yeah, this is not some altruistic way for them to say, Hey, we're protecting your privacy by turning off third party cookies. It just means we're going to eat more of the cookies. That's all. Yeah. So
Brian Schulmeister 18:21
yeah, we have a button bigger and better Cookie Monster than we unrolling.
Jason DeFillippo 18:27
Oh, and I saw this one over at wired. And I had to chuckle gig companies fear a worker shortage despite a recession. So turns out, turns out here, even though you know, we have massive unemployment in the US, thanks to the pandemic. People don't want to drive for Uber and Lyft anymore. It could be that they have figured out that as you know, contract drivers, they're just getting fucked in the ear while being hung upside down over a snake pit for driving for these companies. Who woulda thunk it, that maybe somebody has finally figured out that working for these companies is a bad idea. Yeah. But working in air quotes.
Brian Schulmeister 19:07
Yeah. I mean, they, you know, obviously, these companies have have promoted the unicorns out there, the people that actually make a good living, working for them, but the vast majority of people don't. I think we saw a number of reports that talked about how, you know, basically they were clearing less than minimum wage when you took into account all the costs involved of your car wear and tear service, gas, all that sort of stuff. It's Yeah, it's not a real job. It's just not in general. So you can get lucky just like you could potentially get lucky mining geocoin. But chances are, it's all gamble. So
Jason DeFillippo 19:46
I actually have a better chance of making more money on Chico and then you do as an Uber driver,
Brian Schulmeister 19:50
probably, probably. So we've talked a lot about universal basic income over the years and how we think it's kind of a good idea. But we haven't really seen any large scale examples of it, we need to study it a bit more. And Stockton Basic Income experiment has apparently paid off. I think we talked about this when they launched it. So they did a small demonstration program sending payments of $500 a month to 125 randomly selected individuals living in neighborhoods with average incomes lower than the city median of $46,000 a year, they were allowed to spend the money any way that they want, they were not obligated to complete any drug tests, interviews means or asset tests or work requirements, they just got the money, no strings attached whatsoever. And this is a relatively common, highly effective method of poverty alleviation used all over the world in low income and high income countries in rural areas and cities, and particularly for households with children but not in the United States. Because we don't do anything that is known as family benefits. In fact, we spend less of our GDP on what is known as family benefits than any other country in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development except for Turkey. All right, second, mention a turkey on the shelf. Yep. So we got rid of that. Because we kind of feel that if you're on welfare, you're a loser. And the best route out of poverty is a is not a handout but a hand up. Let's get you a job driving for Uber.
Jason DeFillippo 21:17
Hustle house. Yes, hustle. Yeah, come on, you know, rise and grind. Let's go.
Brian Schulmeister 21:21
That's right. So unfortunately, the study has proved that to be false, actually giving people money helps. Okay,
Jason DeFillippo 21:31
how did they test?
Brian Schulmeister 21:32
Well, they basically did. They did a B comparisons, they, they they've had groups of people that didn't get the money, and they had groups of people that did get the money. And we basically found out that giving people some guaranteed income did not stop them from working. It basically gave them a hand up to do things like you know, get a better laptop, or get a suit or whatever, that enabled them to go out and get the stability that they needed to find and go out and find and take a new job. All right, the people that got the money were healthier, happier and less anxious than their counterparts in the control group. So cash is a better way to cure some forms of depression and anxiety than Prozac said, the former mayor of Stockton who spearheaded the project. So many of the illnesses we see in our community are a result of toxic stress and elevated cortisol levels and anxiety directly attributed to income volatility and not having enough to cover your basic necessities, then that's true. And the public health crisis we're in now. More work, less destitution, more family stability, less trains, less strain social networks, less stress, fewer incidences of homelessness and fewer skip meals. That is what UBI could give the country.
Jason DeFillippo 22:39
All right. All right. I really, really hope that they did something for the control group after it was done. Because that would suck to be in that control group. Really. It's like, oh, we're still miserable. Thanks. Thanks For Nothing, literally, thanks for nothing. Oh, man, Facebook is back in the news this week with some new AI. So they've got a new algorithm called sear. And what this does is it takes billions upon billions of images, of course from Instagram, right? And without without explicit permission, you you signed away those rights when you Terms of Service I signed up for Instagram didn't let them do this kind of thing. And apparently, it is not reaping results. Okay, so the interesting thing here is, there's a guy, Yann laocoon. He's Facebook's chief scientist. This is the guy who basically came up with deep learning back in the day. So they, you know, they went to the top of the mountain to find the guy who did the thing to like, do their thing. Right, which is pretty interesting. But yeah, this it's an interesting new way to, like, train literally train algorithms without having to tag images. Like it just looks and looks and looks and learns and learns and learns. And it's pretty interesting. I gotta say, it's pretty, pretty interesting. Self supervised learning, kind of like people do sometimes. I guess, how we were raised. But yeah, I'm gonna keep an eye on this one. Because this is, you know, honestly, stop saying AI it is a new way to do machine learning, but it sounds like a pretty cool one. All right, bad. Facebook's the one that's doing it, because all they're gonna do is try and figure out if there's a nipple in my shot, or sell more ads. Yeah, hotdog or not. That's what they've done. They've had millions and millions of compute cycles to figure out hotdogs and pretty much and I can't even count the amount of people that sent this one into this week john McAfee charged with securities fraud for pump and dump cryptocurrency scheme. Yep. And you know, the head scratcher is here. Wait, wait, you can actually get in trouble for doing something with cryptocurrency
Brian Schulmeister 24:58
Not exactly. not technically, they're getting him on the fact that he basically did not, did not keep. He was not upfront about the fact that he would they were basically ads.
Jason DeFillippo 25:11
Yeah. They were ads and you know who's paid pacifically told people that, you know, this is a really good buy. I am not going to make any money off of this. I do not pump and dump for my own gain. I do not own any of this cryptocurrency, but you should buy it because it is a cool thing. And I say, That's not true. That was not true. And apparently, he was such a security expert. He did a lot of his planning over DMS on Twitter, which can be subpoenaed, where they found the proof that he was actually behind trying to do this. So please never get out of jail. He's done. He's cooked. These Damn. Yeah.
Brian Schulmeister 25:54
It's kind of sad.
Jason DeFillippo 25:56
I mean, it's kind of sad. I you know, he's like your crazy uncle that you want to kind of see succeed, even though he's, you know, well, I wouldn't say succeed.
Brian Schulmeister 26:05
I see him more as a person to not emulate like, you know, how we have a cautionary tale. We have role models out there that we want to emulate. And then there's john McAfee, who anything that he does, or is he he's involved in AI? No, don't get involved in that.
Jason DeFillippo 26:21
Yeah, kind of like kim.com. You know, interesting, interesting cat kind of funny, but you don't want to be hanging out with him. You really don't. And here we go. This is a funny one. chamath Palihapitiya, who is the chairman of Virgin Galactic, he obviously doesn't want to be involved with Virgin Galactic anymore. Even though he's the chairman. He decided to sell off all of his personal stock in the company to go do other things with the money and start up new initiatives. But he's gonna stay chairman of Virgin Galactic because he believes in the mission.
Brian Schulmeister 26:57
Yeah, if I was the rank and file for the rank and file over at Virgin Galactic, I'd be polishing up my resume right now. Look, you can sell, you can do whatever you want with your stocks and all that. And I agree that you should have the right to do that. But I would just say if you're the CEO, or you're the chairman, or you're a high up in any company, quit the job before you sell all your stock in the company you're working for.
Jason DeFillippo 27:24
Yeah, really? Really? I mean, this one is a head scratcher. I'm not alone here, right? This is not like a really, no, this is not this is
Brian Schulmeister 27:34
I agree with you it it just it sends a message as they like to say
Robert Fogarty 27:49
Brian Schulmeister 27:52
Well, we are in week 365. We are basically at the point coming up on the anniversary of the last day that at least here in Los Angeles in California that we actually went outside or did anything ever. And I remember I had tickets for a couple shows. All of which quickly got canceled and rescheduled remember Yeah, I was gonna go see Hamilton I was gonna see Dead Can Dance. There was a whole bunch of stuff coming up and all of those things while Hamilton GOT
Jason DeFillippo 28:21
GOT refunded lucky on that.
Brian Schulmeister 28:23
I got really lucky on that one the the other concerts that I had tickets for have had like five to six rescheduled dates at this point and just keep rolling and rolling and rolling. But according to The Wall Street Journal, we might be getting concerts back sooner than I would have thought. fans could be back at concerts this summer. industry executives who are quick to note the business was among the first to shut down because of COVID-19 and will likely be among the last to come back are cautiously plotting a gradual return to live shows. As infections appear to subside and vaccination rates rise. According to Live Nation entertainments Chief Executive Officer Michael rapinoe real picture of a guy he told investors the world's largest concert promoter thinks it can begin staging outdoor amphitheatre shows by mid summer, and j Mar siano, the chief executive of the rival AEG presents says he believes full capacity club and theater shows will be possible this fall, which is pretty incredible. Just as a touchstone here in terms of how much money is involved with these sorts of things, global revenue from concerts before pandemic rose to $26.1 billion in 2019. And began fall before falling the 6.5 billion in 2020. I would love to see where that 6.5 billion is from because there hasn't been a single fucking show overseas. I know they have festivals in New Zealand
Jason DeFillippo 29:44
so yet the in the United States be at New Europe new so we'll see I mean from New Zealand.
Brian Schulmeister 29:53
I know a lot of I know. You know, just from from being inside the industry. I know a lot of tours are planned. I know that The all the work has been done and everybody's just waiting to press go. A lot of tour routing has been done. There's there are talks and murmurs of there actually being outdoor festivals this summer. We'll see, unless they're in Texas right now.
Jason DeFillippo 30:13
Brian Schulmeister 30:14
not sure what's gonna happen. And I don't I'm not sure how, how ready people are to go back. I mean, I know, you know, and even in this article, they interviewed a couple, you know, fanatics that would basically go to a show right now. But the your, your standard rank and file, I'm not sure I'm not ready to go back to a show. I can tell you. Not until I get vaccinated.
Jason DeFillippo 30:33
Yeah, I watched the news yesterday. And they had a concert where they had like six different groups of people all segmented by, you know, different levels of protective gear. I think everybody tested negative before they went in. But now they're trying to see if I apparently they're trying to test the efficacy of the, you know, the COVID test, because if they said that everybody tested negative when they came in, and they're gonna track everybody, once they leave. It's like, are you just expecting there to be false positives or false negatives coming through? I don't know. I don't quite understand how it works. But everybody seemed to be having a damn good time. So I think a lot of people are ready to go back to concerts, especially if you live in Colorado.
Brian Schulmeister 31:14
I know people are and I get it. And it's, it's, it's really up to your own level of personal comfort and all that I suppose. And, but here's the here's my thing. Okay, I would like to go out and eat at the restaurant. I don't want to go out and eat at a restaurant on the street with cars driving by and gigantic concrete bunkers set up to make sure that the car doesn't run into my table outside in the restaurant. I would very much like to go to a concert, I don't want to go to it. I'm not going to go to a concert until I can go to a concert without wearing a mask and I can go to the fucking bar and get a beer. I just need it to be back to normal before I'm into it. That's just me. And God bless all of you people that are that are raring to go and happy to do it. Good for you.
Jason DeFillippo 32:00
Yep. canaries in the coal mine, unfortunately. So I think I think the way you want to go, Brian is not going to be till next year. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. And this is a head scratcher sort of jack Dorsey's square has acquired title. Okay. You know, with all of the idiocy in the NFT space that jack is, you know, dipped his Willy into, it seems like, you know, you can easily extrapolate out that he's going to try and figure out what we were talking about with how to get artists paid to t as a payment processing company that also works in crypto, and has some ideas, I guess. So. Yeah. title is now under square.
Brian Schulmeister 32:42
It'll be interesting. I'll be interested to see what they do. I again, see my rant earlier in the show if we could actually fix artists getting paid for what they originally do, and what they are currently doing, ie their music. I'm interested, let me hear more about it. If the idea is now we're just gonna add micropayment tip jars to the stream. That's bullshit.
Jason DeFillippo 33:05
Yeah. So yeah, I think I think the real way to get rid of this problem in the music industry is just kill all the music industry execs who take all the money. Start there. It's like, you know, Shakespeare famously said, kill all the lawyers. So that didn't work out. No. Yeah. And not that wouldn't go over well, in your household. No. So I watched the documentary on Patrice O'Neal called killing is easy, very sad documentary. He was an interesting cat for sure. Definitely not the nicest person on the planet by no stretch of the imagination. He
Brian Schulmeister 33:42
was he was one of those guys that you know, there's always that saying the comedians comedian, like other comedians loved him. The public, lukewarm.
Jason DeFillippo 33:51
Yeah, yeah. Cuz it's really hard to tell when he was actually making a joke or if he was just a misogynistic piece of crap. And it seems to if you want to err on the side of caution go with a misogynistic piece of crap.
Brian Schulmeister 34:03
Well, he definitely came from another time, like, his comedy would not fly in today's environment at all.
Jason DeFillippo 34:10
No, no, no. Barely flew in, you know, his barely flew then? Yes, years ago. I mean, he's no, he wouldn't have been much older than we are in probably our age. So yeah, different times different times. But it's an interesting, it's an interesting watch. Kind of sad. But yeah, he was it was definitely Yeah, he was him. That's about all you can say about it. Condor. Season Two is back. And it was apparently back in June. And I missed it. Because it was, it's an at&t show where they had there's this really weird at&t network that it was originally on. So you kind of had to go to Sweden to get it. Or if you had like some weird direct tv package. You could you could watch it. Right, but for season two, they've moved over to epics, which I am a subscriber to because I forgot to cancel My subscription last week after watching by any means necessary the Malcolm X documentary don't but so fortunately, I can watch Condor Season Two because it Condor Season One was great is based on Three Days of the Condor and this is just a new stories after it. So if you like spy stuff and CIA stuff and assassinations and all that good spooky stuff, check it out.
Brian Schulmeister 35:23
Right? Well, I saw some things this week. My kid is super into snakes right now and we had fired up Disney plus at some point and ad for the jungle book came up with the big snake on it. So that was it. Okay, all gameover we're gonna have to watch The Jungle Book. Alright, fine. I have fond memories of it. Kipling, the the author on which they it's originally based, much like Patrice O'Neal, a troublesome individual. wildly racist. But of course, even back in 1967, Disney was aware of what their target market was and erased all the racism or most of it. So it was great. I really, I mean, the songs are top notch like you cannot beat the songs. And in the original Jungle Book, they were fantastic. So it was fun to go back and watch that again. We've been listening to the soundtrack repeatedly from the lady in the tube since then, really good songs. All of that was wonderful. But as anybody with kids know, obsession sets in and yeah, for the Jungle Book 2016 appeared. And there was an even bigger real looking snake. So we had to watch that one as well. surprisingly good. I've got to say this john fabro did it Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Great casting for the most part Bill Murray's in there. I'm Christopher Walken is in there. The one big misstep the snake cough. Scarlett Johansen.
Unknown Speaker 36:48
Brian Schulmeister 36:49
somebody for the love of God tells Scarlett Johansson. She's not allowed to sing anymore. Oh, that's he? Oh, she sings the main song trust in me. Which the original version is unbelievable. Her version sucks. It just plain fucking sucks.
Jason DeFillippo 37:06
Why wouldn't you get like Gaga in there? Somebody who has a voice.
Brian Schulmeister 37:10
Scarlett Johansson is just getting some sort of pass in Hollywood and she pretends she can sing.
Jason DeFillippo 37:15
Yeah, yeah. Ghosts in the shell, for example. Yeah, that was bad.
Brian Schulmeister 37:21
Anyways, they were both great. I actually highly recommend seeing the the new Jungle Book it technically it's a masterpiece. It's wonderful.
Jason DeFillippo 37:29
Okay, maybe I'll do that. I would recommend if your kid is into snakes. Go get Rikki tikki. Tavi.
Brian Schulmeister 37:36
Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah, I think next on the list is you know, as we've always talked about one of my favorite movies, Robin Hood, because they've got his, so he should enjoy that.
Jason DeFillippo 37:47
Yeah, just don't don't let him watch Anaconda.
Brian Schulmeister 37:50
Or Snakes on a Plane? That would you could let him watch it. Right, right. So the adult movie that I watched this week, and my wife and I were quite excited about because we both grew up enjoying coming to America, the first movie coming to America, too. If you enjoyed coming to America, you will have a nice daljit trip with coming to America too. If you've never heard of coming to America, you will not understand this movie at all and wonder why it got made and why there are so many famous people in it.
Jason DeFillippo 38:23
All right. Did you watch coming to America before this to get caught up?
Brian Schulmeister 38:26
I did not. I did not because I have fond enough memories of it. And I don't know if it would have legs or not. So okay.
Jason DeFillippo 38:33
Yeah. Bitner said that it was a very slow watch when he talked about it. Hey,
Brian Schulmeister 38:37
pacing was definitely different back then.
Jason DeFillippo 38:39
Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna obviously watch it. But I think I'm gonna watch coming to America first, just just back to back Saturday, you know, sit by the fire, have a cocktail and just watch him both. Because it doesn't seem like you have to think very
Brian Schulmeister 38:52
much. No, not much thinking required.
Jason DeFillippo 38:54
So Mike wrote in gence. I've heard you mentioned Kim's convenience on two episodes now and yes, it's excellent. But have yet to hear you mentioned that Kim. Paul sun Wang Li is also one of the x wing pilots in the Mandalorian Season Two just an interesting bit of trivia. I did not know that.
Brian Schulmeister 39:10
Yeah, I do remember that. Just Didn't you know, didn't come up with Bitner Where were the Star Wars news shows. So we have some breaking news. Apparently Season Five of Kim's convenience is the end and not without some drama. Most of the actors are not happy about not getting a season six, so they were renewed for both season five and season six. But according to a post on the show's official Instagram account yesterday, co creators is Troy and Kevin white decided to move on to other projects at the conclusion of production on season five. So the show's producers Thunderbird films decided not to continue without them. And the actors are heartbroken. Lou said I feel like my journey with john was cut short. I feel like you the fans deserve better. But I'm proud of all that we accomplished together and five seasons thank you for the love and support. This isn't goodbye only hashtag OKC you which I love. That's very funny. To me. This sounds like a money issue. And I'm wondering if Netflix because it's become a big hit on Netflix is going to step up and say, Well, can you guys fall back if you do to season six and here is a large let me let me back this truck up to Kim's convenience full of money.
Jason DeFillippo 40:20
Yeah, I watched the first half of episode one. It was funny. It was funny. I just did not have time to keep going. But it was okay. It was okay. It's just Yeah, definitely. I'm not you know, me and sitcoms don't get along together. But it was he was definitely what you said they don't pull any punches and match.
Unknown Speaker 40:39
Ups and doodads.
Jason DeFillippo 40:43
to Brian, I got some new toys this week. All right. I got the Glide Gear TMP 100, adjustable iPad tablet, smartphone teleprompter beam splitter 7030 glass with carry case, no plastic all metal slash no assembly required. Alright. I've been doing a lot of reading for this podcast course that I've been filming. And I thought, Oh, God, I can't memorize all these scripts. So let me just get a teleprompter. Because it's like there's 200 bucks. And you put your iPad in it. And I got some software called the prompt is smart, which was really cool. It's voice recognition based. So as you're talking, the script will scroll automatically for you. Nice. It was working great until I put in a word that it could not understand, which was notably my own name. And it hung, it could not get past my name. Right. So that was troublesome. I had to go back and edit the scripts. And they do a thing with subscriptions. And it's kind of annoying, because I wanted I I got like the the cloud package. So I could have it on multiple devices and edit on one and you know, Cloud Sync to the other blah, blah, blah, all this crap. And they have a desktop version. I thought oh, it should be part of the same package. Let me get the desktop version cuz it'll be easier to pops in a note, a nother subscription on top of it. So yeah, that was that was a bummer. So right. I'm on the fence with this when it works. It's fantastic. It's really fantastic. But I also learned that reading off a teleprompter is really hard. Because you just look like a crazy person. Because your eyes are shifting all over, you have to learn to unfocus what you're reading, so you're looking directly at the lens. And then I figured out well I don't even need it that much. Because if you just do bullet points and talk like a human, it even comes out even better sight. All of this stuff is really cool. But the purpose that I wanted it for it just didn't work. But the one purpose that I found that is awesome, is using the iPad as a second display. And doing zoom calls or any any call where you have people like a Skype call or you know any video call that you have to do. You use your iPad as a second monitor, but that on the teleprompter, and you're staring directly at the person the whole time. Right. It's great for that. And we talked about duet display a long time ago that was before sidecar came out?
Brian Schulmeister 43:05
Yeah. Yeah, I got it. And I used it the one time I installed it to see if it actually worked. And I went, Oh, cool, neat. This works and never had a use case for it ever again.
Jason DeFillippo 43:17
I use a sidecar. I use it sometimes. Sometimes it's better than sidecar. That's for sure. Yeah. So it does have some extra stuff. That's pretty cool. And you can go like you can use it for like almost like a back to my Mac sort of thing. Now, it's pretty neat. But it didn't do what I needed it to do with the teleprompter, which was flip it left to right and right to left because it's really hard to press a button with a mouse when you're going backwards and forwards and up to down looking at it on a teleprompter. So incomes Luna display. And I got to thank friend of the show Eric only for this one, it's 80 bucks. And it's a little plug that you plug into your main computer that then broadcast to the the iPad. Now I don't know why it needs a dongle when we have things like Bluetooth and cables. But it's gonna ask it's a thing. It's a thing you got to pay 80 bucks for it comes with software to do it. But it has teleprompter mode, which is pretty cool. I've got a video in the show notes where you can actually go in and see how they they do it. But between the two of them is really cool for video calls because you'd never break eye contact. And so it's 280 bucks total plus the iPad and of course a DSLR behind it that you have to use as webcam. So it's an expensive option so it's not a cheap rig. No it's not a cheap rate compared considering there's a $2,000 camera on the back end of it that goes into a $600 video mixer that then goes into another mixer, but the the you know the teleprompter and the dongle are cheap, I guess. So anyway, things that were not cheap also was the iMac pro which Apple has decided to stop selling Which is good news, because that means that new IMAX are going to be on the way and hopefully with the snappy little m, one, whatever next gen chip they're gonna have is right. I'm looking forward to that. Because my iMac is getting a little long in the tooth and I love it. But yeah, I want I want me like an M 1x. You know, iMac? I really want one of those for sure. Alright, yep. And last week, I asked about the that new app dispo, which is now valued at $200 million after their funding round. And I just want to do a quick follow up on this. And thanks to everybody who, you know, tweeted or emailed me that had an invite. But Brian, I had a reflective moment. I had a very reflective moment. And this whole invite thing, just pissed me off, you know, clubhouse did it. These guys are doing it. other apps have done it over time. And I'm not going to review anything that's not open to the public anymore. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna buy into this bullshit hype cycle for an app, which I can tell you right now is a dud. You got to wait a day to get your photos back. You know, this, this forced nostalgia bullshit is really just annoying in the fact that this these guys are gonna make a ton of money on it for a gimmick that it's, it's not worth $200 million. I'm telling you right now, it's not worth 200 million period. It's an app that makes you wait for your pictures that have no filters on them just so you can relive what it was like to overpay for a disposable 35 millimeter camera, because that was the stick at weddings, you know, when you were 20 years ago? Yeah, no, I like progress. I like filters. And I like being able to see my photos right now. So there you have it.
Brian Schulmeister 46:48
Cool. Yeah, I'm not a fan of that process either. But I get why they do it because you know, tech and press media. So it types up their apps. And people feel like they need to get involved when they otherwise would probably just go Oh, there's this app out there that does this. Oh, well. I don't need that help with that. Which is how everybody would react if they just put this out. So yeah, there you go. I am in the process of slowly getting our house ready to pack up and move to Toronto for our final move. And part of that process is kind of going through everything and getting rid of stuff we don't need and figuring out what we do need and ordering a bunch of things. So the Amazon truck is coming all the time here and I went and finally got some of the things that you recommended because I can't really use them with my setup here but once I get to Toronto, they will be part of my podcast setup. I got the gaming mousepad x x x l extended large matte desk pad 36 inches by 16.5 inches GL tech mouse pad long non slip rubber mice pad stitched edges with portable bag. Yeah, that's great. I can't wait to start using it that must have Yeah, it's way too big for the desk I'm currently at but it will be perfect for the desk that I will be at. I also got the app home upgrade headphones stand hanger hook aluminum stick on adhesive under desk dual headset holder mount gaming accessories for all headphones, comma silver yet which will be nice again, when I get there here. There's not
Jason DeFillippo 48:11
fantastic fantastic I got two of them right now.
Brian Schulmeister 48:14
Yep. And while I was added I wanted to do a little cord management both here and when I get there so I got the 16 pack multipurpose cable clips holder for organizing cable cords, home and office self adhesive cord holders. These things are great and they're super cheap.
Jason DeFillippo 48:27
Yep, I actually saw this in the notes and I went and bought them yesterday so they get there today. These look fantastic. And had tip two john, aka sigh veteran over on Twitter. He sent sent this link it's how air pods are deep cleaned. Now there's a trigger warning at the beginning of this video. And I'm just like, oh, stingy. You gotta be kidding me. kids nowadays. Why do they need to trigger war? Oh my god. Oh my god. That's disgusting. is pretty much how that that thought went in my head as I was watching it. It is so gross.
Brian Schulmeister 49:02
Yeah, I get my air pods a little scrape scrape once a week. Yeah, so so I don't end up with one of the ones in this in these videos.
Jason DeFillippo 49:11
Yeah, little q tip a little alcohol. You're good to go. So it doesn't look like a horror show. It's so gross. So gross.
Brian Schulmeister 49:19
And Tom wrote in and he wants to know how we rip CDs nowadays to which I said what's a CD. He's currently using iTunes and wants to know what settings we use now that file size is not really an issue anymore. Back in the day when I did this and I guess I'm feeling like a trail relate blazer right now compared to Tom because it was at least 10 years ago. I use iTunes mp3 format because at the time that was the most compatible and I did it at 256 these days probably rip to flack. Yeah and I've dropped a link in the show notes, mp3 ac WAV FLAC all the audio file formats explained from what hi fi comm which is a pretty good a pretty good run through of the different formats. So You can read through that and make your own personal choice. Excellent.
Jason DeFillippo 50:03
Excellent. Yeah, the biggest problem nowadays is finding a CD player to rip those CDs Exactly. Oh, my God, and do low power writes in. And he would like to know if we have an opinion of audio Co. So we have talked about this on the show first time was back in 2018. And then there was another one back in 2019. When we're talking about 2020. Well, we skipped a year, we skipped a year Damn. Does it mean it must still be a thing now? And he goes on to say that there TLS on page 18 has a lie in it. They say you can delete and disconnect from the platform. But when asked they say they cannot delete accounts, as its blockchain based net may well be accurate.
Brian Schulmeister 50:47
Well, I mean, are we surprised that a tech company has lied in their terms of service?
Jason DeFillippo 50:51
Yes. So I actually went to the site to go check it out. And I got a big warning that said, since they haven't applied as a US security that I can't use the site as a US citizen. Ah,
Brian Schulmeister 51:02
there you go.
Jason DeFillippo 51:03
Yeah, yeah. Very, very interesting. It's, yep, it's on the blockchain. Right figure.
Brian Schulmeister 51:10
And Barrett wrote in to say the sing app, and this is s exclamation point, or bang, and G ng app looks horrible, but nothing surprises me who wants to switch apps just to listen to premium content. And this is a link to Yahoo Finance Our Lady peace to release single as NFT through the sing app, Canadian rock band, Our Lady peace will release an additional single from its forthcoming album Spiritual Machines to as an NF. T this single will be available next month through the sing app which launched its NFT minting option today for content creators and artists. We pulled the 11 song off the record so it can be an NF T and it's going to have a bunch of other unlocks as well Rain Man made us at the band's lead vocalist and Chief Product officer at sing said so yeah, beside basically is an NF t. So there you go. and blah blah marketing blah blah bullshit. And it is important to note out here that the lead singer of the band doing this is also the company's chief product officer so there's that could be why he's doing it.
Jason DeFillippo 52:13
Yes. Take that with the biggest grain of salt that you can find. Yes. are more on of the week is Burger King UK. Hmm. This is an easy one. An easy one for national or international women's day. They put out a tweet that said women belong in the kitchen. I'm not
Brian Schulmeister 52:34
sure I even understand what point they were going for.
Jason DeFillippo 52:37
They were trying to say that only 20% of chefs are women and that they should be represented more in the kitchen, followed by their next tweet was bitch make me a sandwich.
Unknown Speaker 52:52
Jason DeFillippo 52:56
We are joined again this week by Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the cyber wire podcast. And Dave is also the co host of the social engineering podcast hacking humans with Joe Kerrigan as well as the co host of caveat with Ben yelin where they discuss law and policy as well as surveillance and privacy. And today Gentlemen, I do have to apologize if you hear some banging in the background and people whistling. My neighbor is getting his house redone on the Property Brothers show. And they didn't clear it with me first. So they are making a lot of noise outside.
Brian Schulmeister 53:27
Oh, wow. But there's some some beard people on staff to keep those two brothers perfectly coiffed and trimmed.
Jason DeFillippo 53:34
Not today. Today it is the the Mexicans unloading the buckets and buckets and trucks and trucks of nails. Glue caulk and right now flooring is going on. Nice. Oh, yes. Yes. No, the the brothers the brothers property. were here yesterday. It was kind of interesting because there was a doctor outside in the back of a pickup truck. It looked like they were giving COVID tests to the crew. Yeah. Normally they're here for several hours and they've got you know, giant cameras in scrims and doing things like that. Well, turns out about 45 minutes into getting set up. Everybody jumped in their cars packed up and ran off. So I'm wondering if somebody got a positive test that day. Because they did not film a thing for the rest of the day. They never came back. And they're usually here all day. So
Brian Schulmeister 54:24
that's interesting because the tests are supposed to be preventative IE if you're okay you go into the production and if you were supposed to catch the people who are not okay and send them home not not shut down the whole thing for the day. That's that's the entire point of it, isn't it not?
Jason DeFillippo 54:37
I have no idea. I'm just telling you what I what I
Brian Schulmeister 54:40
witnessed. Now it's funny because I do I take my daily bike rides and I go up the beach and there's a big parking lot up at the near the end right before it starts to get into Malibu area and parking lot. Yeah, because it's so remote. They shoot things all the time. And there's always a production going on commercial or TV show It's when they have to do their beach scenes and all that sort of stuff. And there, that's all started and ramped up again. And they do have big COVID area testing areas before you get in. So like, right when there weren't right, where were the people drive in to go to the production? They have COVID test set up. It's pretty cool. I've often wondered if Can I just stop on my bike and get a quick test?
Jason DeFillippo 55:18
Probably you look like you belong on a crew. So I'm guessing you can fit.
Dave Bittner 55:22
Now Brian, where you live there is that where the famous open two Three's Company was shot?
Brian Schulmeister 55:29
The Yes. And the house itself is a literal five minute walk from my place. Look at my wedding. If I went out the door, and just down the street, that one street over that is the the shot the famous house from the shot from the front. The current owners hate that fact. They had built. They have they have put up very large hedges. So you kind of have to peek through the gate to see the house but it looks exactly the same fresh, fresh paint, obviously. But well, yeah, it's right there. And most of it was a shot on the opening shot on the boardwalk just right down here at Venice, and they reference a lot of places that aren't around anymore. But but the shell of the place still is one of the bars that I go to was the inspiration for the lounge and all that sort of stuff.
Dave Bittner 56:14
The regal Beagle is the Regal Beagle. It was never
Brian Schulmeister 56:17
named the Regal Beagle. But the building itself still stands and is still a bar.
Jason DeFillippo 56:24
Yes, I think if you want the when we first found that out, you can go back to one of our episodes called come and knock on our door.
Dave Bittner 56:34
late to the game as usual, but I still get a kick out of it nonetheless. No, it's pretty
Brian Schulmeister 56:38
crazy. And I do have a regal Beagle t shirt that I occasionally done as I walk around the area and I can tell him who's old and who isn't by who recognizes it.
Dave Bittner 56:47
Right. Right. That's cool.
Jason DeFillippo 56:50
I got a little follow up on one division as from our last chit chat. You said that it was hard burn to get into it. And man, you weren't kidding. Yeah, I thought it was funny that the in the credit scene at the end of episode one, I'm looking at all the gadgets and gear on the table. And I noticed there's a this little gizmo with some lights and you know, slightly bits and I'm like I looked at literally right now to the left of my monitor. There's that same gadget, and that would be the road caster pro mixer for podcasters. And I thought, huh, what's the secret government agency? Is podcasting? There were about
Brian Schulmeister 57:30
swell. Everybody has a podcast these days.
Dave Bittner 57:36
That's true. That's true. No, it has just colorful little Blinky bits and things. So that's all you know, I put a note in here that along these lines you know the Deathstar used a Grass Valley 1600 switcher to fire. Lasers switch nice. Back in the day, you know, when I was in that world, it was always exciting to be basically anytime somebody you know, did one of the move on to the fader bars on a switcher they go. Because they could.
Jason DeFillippo 58:06
Yeah, I do believe in episode one. The MIDI chlorian detector was a lady's Gillette razor.
Unknown Speaker 58:13
Yes, Yes, that is correct.
Brian Schulmeister 58:15
Yes. There's famously the ice cream maker being carried out of best
Unknown Speaker 58:22
ice cream maker,
Dave Bittner 58:25
which evidently has become a comic con thing like they have. Like that guy has become something that lots of people dress up as. So they in the same way that they get all of the slave Princess Leia is together, they get the best ice cream guys together to do a group photo.
Jason DeFillippo 58:43
Shoot, I just I love
Brian Schulmeister 58:44
I mean, you know, that's just the that's the way of it. I mean, I remember back in college, I was you know, I double majored. And one of mine was music, and I had, I was really into synthesizers, and I had all kinds of different little pieces of equipment that had flashy lights and faders and buttons. And my roommate was a cinema major. And he he would use shots of my stuff for like sci fi things. Yeah, he just kind of grabbed what's around you and looks modern. So it looks incredibly outdated in the future. Right.
Jason DeFillippo 59:13
Nice. I did finish one division by the way, no spoilers. My take on it is the juice might not have been worth the squeeze. It was I it was enjoyable. But I don't think it's stuck the landing that's just my take on it. Did you enjoy the the finale?
Dave Bittner 59:32
I did. I did. But But I think you're i i'm not i take no issue with your assessment. I can completely see how that would be the conclusion someone could make. I enjoyed it. You know, we watched it together the my family and my youngest son jack was really drive the driving force behind wanting to watch it. I'm not sure we my wife and I would have made it through the the speed bump. You have to get over and the Getting good stuff. I'm glad we stuck it through and you know, like, one of the things my wife said is that there's in the Marvel Universe, there's just so much to keep track of and you know, he MCU then the MDS, thank you very much. And the MCU you need a like a Sherpa to lead you along some of these stories. And for us, that's our son. So he so who is that? And what does that have to do with this? And he of course has all those answers, but
Jason DeFillippo 1:00:29
I've seen movies and I was lost on half of, it's like, you have to have, you know, you need was at MCU pedia to be able to look stuff up or something, something that will just you know, like they have, what do they call that on? When you're watching an Amazon Prime show? on the X ray? X ray, they need an X ray for anything Marvel period, because you need to pull up and see. Okay, what's the seven movies this person was in? What's the easter egg that's happening right now that I know I should be, you know, having a bit of nostalgia for but I'm not quite getting it?
Dave Bittner 1:01:02
It's like, well, if I want to date myself, I'd say You mean like pop up videos.
Brian Schulmeister 1:01:07
pop up video.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:11
Wow. All right.
Jason DeFillippo 1:01:16
I remember being really annoyed when pop up videos first came out because I didn't know they come out and I'd be watching a video. I'm like, What's all this crap on the screen? I just want to watch a video.
Brian Schulmeister 1:01:26
I will say I can see you being annoyed as a viewer. Imagine if you were the artists as I worked with quite a few of them and they were made fun of incessantly in their pop up videos. And they were not pleased about any of that.
Jason DeFillippo 1:01:37
Yeah, I bet. I bet Yeah, maybe pop up podcasting. That's our new thing. Okay, we're just gonna have somebody come in with with random like voiceovers going on episode 423. They mentioned the the Three's Company house before and the Regal ego was mentioned in episodes 242 and 192. And here's a
Brian Schulmeister 1:01:57
little pop up right now. It took 25 minutes for them to actually get to security in the security sector.
Dave Bittner 1:02:04
Over time, the security session section became less and less about security. There was
Brian Schulmeister 1:02:09
a great episode where they exclusively talked about the ice cream maker from Yeah.
Jason DeFillippo 1:02:16
And what came so I got a little follow up one more little bit of follow up from last week. And we because we talked about the Tom Cruise deepfakes Yep. Now let's play headline roulette, because I didn't read the articles on this one because one of them was behind a paywall, and the other one I just didn't really care anymore. So we have deep fakes are risky business Warren's creator of viral Tom Cruise. And then we have another one that was from the times in the UK. Then we have Tom Cruise deep fake creator says public shouldn't be worried about one click face.
Brian Schulmeister 1:02:50
It's almost as if they're discussing.
Unknown Speaker 1:02:54
Unknown Speaker 1:02:58
Brian Schulmeister 1:02:59
no, that's journalism for you.
Dave Bittner 1:03:03
needs to read the articles?
Brian Schulmeister 1:03:05
Good times. Wow. So I do have a little bit of security news here. Although it's not so much for the security implication, I just think this might be one of the worst versions of punching down I've ever seen. We're all familiar with the big solar winds hack and how horrible that was, and it's going to be years and billions of dollars before we've wangled our way through and found out what's actually happened and how many people have actually gotten hacked and how bad it actually is. But the former solar wind CEO, Kevin Thompson felt free to go ahead and blame the entire thing on an intern.
Jason DeFillippo 1:03:41
Bus conveniently was driving by
Brian Schulmeister 1:03:44
walking to work, they are blaming the fact that blaming it all on an intern who worked at the company and who used the password solar winds 123 on GitHub back in 2017. Of course, it doesn't actually really answer any questions like why would you give as an intern the responsibility for setting such an important password? Right? Yeah,
Dave Bittner 1:04:05
right. Now this is bullshit. And, and has been recognized as being so within the security community, this is pretty much been dismissed as for exactly what you just said, Brian, you know why, listen, let's put the security of the free world in the hands of an intern that somebody has a policy issue here a policy problem within their organization. So and that starts at the top so this is I don't know if it's just getting more attention than it deserves, you know, as the the quote pulled from from a lot of testimony, but yes, it is one piece of it, but to put any of the real blame on this poor intern who, just probably doing what he was asked in between running out for ham sandwiches for the development team, I think, right? Just it's, it's silly. It's just silly.
Jason DeFillippo 1:04:55
It's knit with a couple.
Brian Schulmeister 1:04:57
Yeah, well, it's just the kind of story that is perfect for our show. That
Dave Bittner 1:05:02
fits right in.
Jason DeFillippo 1:05:03
Yep. So I this is back in the news, Talon and flok are back in the news. And there's a big piece over advice by James Cox who is a fantastic writer. As far as I can tell, I like this guy. This guy has done a really deep dive on Talon, which is the you know, the whole program of all of these network surveillance cameras and Phalke or flock, which is a company that will put these into your you know, your Hoa, or your neighborhoods or whatnot. And they're pricey. They're not they're not cheap, they're, you know, anywhere, but over 1500 to 2500 a year per camera.
Brian Schulmeister 1:05:43
She's got a Chinese camera, they do that for free.
Jason DeFillippo 1:05:45
Exactly. I know. So it talks about how everybody's circumventing the laws and they're building this this super system for just tracking everybody. If we knew all this, we've talked about this in the past, it just seems like nothing that anybody says is going to stop it because it just keeps growing and growing and growing. It's kind of a little unnerving. The the scale to which this has grown at this point. thoughts, gentlemen?
Dave Bittner 1:06:15
Well, I think the focus here is on license plates. And yes, I think that's it like there's a huge gaping loophole with license plates, because driving is a privilege. So because driving is a privilege, you have to have a license plate on your car, it is not legal for you to hide the license plate or your car. So there's a publicly displayed way to track you wherever you go. And that's really what this article reflects. Is that the reality of that? I don't know. I mean, this whole notion of having cameras at the entrance to your neighborhood, I guess for people who can't afford gates, to have cameras at the entrance of your neighborhood, and if a car comes in, that doesn't belong to someone who's on the database, who lives there, they get flagged, potentially cross checked with a list of troublemakers and rabble rousers, and
Brian Schulmeister 1:07:15
I feel they're sad for the new delivery guy at Domino's, he must be getting
Dave Bittner 1:07:19
time, right? And so if there's a problem, then you can notify the police. I mean, I can see there, I can see believing that there's value in this. But I just see how this could all go horribly wrong and end up profiling people and all sorts of not end up I mean it. I'm sure it is being used to profile people in all sorts of ways. I don't know, what do you think, Brian?
Brian Schulmeister 1:07:48
I hate this stuff. I really do. I wish companies like this didn't exist. I think they trade on fear. And yeah, I find the whole license plate reading thing and the automation of it. And all of that important, I think this stuff sort of be outlawed in the same way that facial recognition is starting to be slowly seen as a not good thing. And, you know, I don't know, I don't know how we band together and get rid of it when it's so obvious that law enforcement and individuals, you know, HOA fees and neighborhood associations push for it, because they think it's an actual effective deterrent, which I don't think it is.
Jason DeFillippo 1:08:27
So here's the funny thing. Like in my neighborhood, we get robbed all the time around four in the morning by people who come to the neighborhood. I've talked about this many times on the show. Remember when my roommates car kept getting broken into. And they come in, they steal the the titles out of the car, and then they fake it to kind of put on another car. And it's a whole it's a whole scam that they do around here. But they also steal the just the general crap out of your car. But it's usually between four and 6am. And what they'll do is I have one car, like as kind of like the kind of fallback car and there will be just people walking through the neighborhood, checking door handles, happens all the time. And none of the cameras on the houses have enough resolution to actually catch much of you know, the people, let alone the license plates. So I can see where the people in my neighborhood would be like, we need to install this we need to install this. This is a bad thing happening to us all the time. And you know, even with as somebody who has been a direct recipient of the theft, I would not have this in my neighborhood in any way shape or form. I'm like okay, if you want to catch him sit outside with a cop at four to six in the morning and wait for them to come by but do not put an automated system in my neighborhood to catch you know, petty criminals, but this is what it this is where Brian your point comes into, you know, just laser sharp focus is they have trading on fear, completely trading on fear, like what would you be giving up to have, you know, these petty criminals caught it's not like they're coming through murder. During everyone in the neighborhood every day, it's like, okay, they're breaking into your car that you were too stupid to not lock at night. Okay, a little personal responsibility. They're fine. They're not breaking windows or doing things like that. Does that justify giving up all of the rights to anybody that drives through your neighborhood? I think not.
Brian Schulmeister 1:10:18
Yeah. And who monitors this stuff, like we've seen time and time again, anytime that there's a large amount of surveillance, people end up the people that have access to it end up using it for things that they were not supposed to tracking a young, attractive woman in the neighborhood for
Jason DeFillippo 1:10:33
watching Brian make his coffee in his kitchen
Brian Schulmeister 1:10:35
watching me make my coffee in my kitchen, you know, all the things that Randy sorts of people who would want to see a hunk of meat like me making my coffee, you know, I mean, this stuff is always misused, always. And it's going to be, hmm,
Jason DeFillippo 1:10:51
if there's one thing we've known from eight years of doing this show is, it is always going to be misused. Here. Always there is there's not we have not had any stories of amazing, you know, surveillance network actually used properly by the people who set it up. Never, ever, you know? It's Yeah. So I'm just I'm glad people are still, you know, keeping an eye on these people. But I just don't know if there's any way to stop it. Because it is within the bounds of the law. Mm hmm.
Dave Bittner 1:11:23
Yeah. And you're in a public, if you're in a public place, there's no expectation of privacy. license plates are publicly viewable things. And I guess the the one of the game changers here is that you have these, these commercially available databases of license plates. And that's different than it used to be,
Brian Schulmeister 1:11:41
I would love to have a conversation and maybe you can bring this up next time you speak to Ben yelin, about about that whole idea of if you're in a public place, you know, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy, because that feels like that needs to be revisited. Now that technology has gone the way it has. Because it was one thing in 1950s when you were walking down the street and you think that you don't have any privacy, but that was before you know, 4k cameras were trained on you at every single second and recording you for ever digitally. Like Yeah, differently now.
Dave Bittner 1:12:13
It is something we talk about a lot over on caveat that that very thing that the the things need to be revisited. Because that it does doesn't mean when it used to now, to be private and in a public place doesn't mean what it used to you used to be able to wear a hat and sunglasses, you know, that's all you would need. And it's just not that way anymore. So yeah,
Jason DeFillippo 1:12:35
I agree. Yeah, what we have to do now is tattoo a QR code on our forehead with our terms of service, you know, that says do not film or it's like yeah, okay, here are my pronouns. And here are my recording requirements. You can only fill me if the light is right and you're getting me from my best angle, and I'm not doing anything stupid. And I get first right of refusal on anything that you post to Instagram.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:00
Brian Schulmeister 1:13:01
Yeah. And I you know, I used to remember now again, it's it's changed a little bit but this goes back to like my bike rides going through commercial shoots and things of that nature. They just have cameras trained on you and they just put up a big sign now saying that if you come into this area at all You are agreeing to your likeness being used and used to have to sign stuff like it just feels like that, that that in public being photographed or videoed thing has started to seep into even places where there used to be laws and very strict laws and rules about it. It's all kind of just kind of gone away. It's if you're out in public now it's Game on.
Dave Bittner 1:13:36
Yeah, yeah. Well, then there's so many more cameras and we will we all have
Brian Schulmeister 1:13:40
all everybody's carrying on. Yes. Right. And I live in the I live in, in in like Instagram or Central and tik tok or central like, I can't go out of my house. Everybody is out there shooting themselves doing stupid shit. Like it's, it's constant. So like, I must be in the background of a gazillion tic tocs.
Jason DeFillippo 1:13:57
Right. And the funny thing is, I mean, that's not an exaggeration, even just driving over to your place the other day to drop some stuff off. You would just see people running around with cameras filming themselves or filming their friends. That's all it was.
Brian Schulmeister 1:14:10
That's all people do here.
Jason DeFillippo 1:14:12
And it's really it's really bizarre. I just, yeah. Wow.
Dave Bittner 1:14:18
Well, I have a story here that I just only caught my attention basically because of one paragraph in it and I made it worth sharing. This is a it's a sad story, local story here in the Baltimore area of a gentleman who's a retired Maryland police chief, and turns out that he is a serial or he's alleged to be a serial arsonist. He would maintain a list of people who had in one way or another wrong Tim, and he would go around in the middle of the night and set their things on fire, including their homes and their cars and and all these sorts of things. He
Jason DeFillippo 1:14:57
look like Steve Buscemi by any chance
Unknown Speaker 1:15:00
He does not.
Dave Bittner 1:15:02
But there was an interesting paragraph in this description of how the police ultimately tracked him down. One of the pieces of evidence says, in addition to the coded target list and internet search history, investigators used his Apple Health app to show he was up and moving when fires were set during the middle of the night.
Brian Schulmeister 1:15:24
Interesting, interesting. Read Out by his Yes, and certainly don't Google, how do I set my neighbor's house on fire? Right? If you are planning to set your neighbor's house on fire?
Dave Bittner 1:15:37
Yeah, evidently, this guy had a folder on his computer that was that was named fires. Had a list of people who the the the grievances he had against people. And this story, which will link to actually has some of the security camera footage of the sky, pouring gasoline all over the driveway of someone who had wronged him another police officer, I believe. The other interesting thing I mean, speaking about facial recognition and all that kind of stuff, one of the other police officers who sort of put two and two together and this took place over several years. He recognized the guy because of his gait because of the way he walked. Yeah. So yeah, isn't that so? They
Brian Schulmeister 1:16:24
got old pegleg.
Unknown Speaker 1:16:28
Jason DeFillippo 1:16:31
Captain two toes is going down. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:16:34
yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
Jason DeFillippo 1:16:37
why don't you just put it on Google Docs and save everybody some time?
Brian Schulmeister 1:16:41
Might as well.
Jason DeFillippo 1:16:42
Dave Bittner 1:16:44
Chief of Police.
Jason DeFillippo 1:16:46
Wow. So we got a little listener feedback here from Jonathan. He says on the Microsoft Security blockchain thing, I live in Denmark, and we have a government system called nim ID. It's like your social security on steroids with two factor authentication plus a physical code card with it, which is a backup. When I changed phones, I had to use the old phone to authenticate the new phone, or I could have used the card. It has lots of codes hidden in a big block. So it's not just the same number each time. It's a fantastic system. But I'm sure Americans would think it's too invasive and socialist. Everything you do in Denmark is linked to the mid keep it up, guys. And Jason, if you have too many mics, could you send one to Ben yelin? He needs an upgrade. Yes, I
Dave Bittner 1:17:27
will note that Ben has been sent a new mic. And she will he not unrelated to this message. Although Jonathan, I was it was noted by many other people that Ben's mic was subpar. And part of that is the mics that we had sent. Ben, part of that has just been that I don't you've probably noticed that Ben is a person who has How should we say this a high dynamic range. Part of what we had to do was send him a microphone that could handle the sound pressure levels that come out of him. And we believe that we have finally cracked the code on that and that and that we're in a good place right now.
Jason DeFillippo 1:18:11
But the audio files, what did you send? Do you know the make and model of the microphone you have sent him cuz I could probably
Dave Bittner 1:18:19
send it we just sent it. We sent him one of the Audio Technica large diaphragm, you know, mics, the sort of the standard mic that we like the one I'm talking into right now. Okay. So and that can handle the dynamic range that that we need from him, but right.
Jason DeFillippo 1:18:34
Well, the mid sounds interesting. They have a backup physical card, which is pretty cool.
Brian Schulmeister 1:18:39
I like it. I mean, this is not too different from what Microsoft is trying to head towards with the story we talked about last week. I'm down for this. I think it's great. I I wish we had something like this. I can't see it ever happening here. But it'd be great.
Dave Bittner 1:18:54
I suspect would probably see it at the state level. Before anything else. And so your your progressive states will get it before your
Brian Schulmeister 1:19:02
Yeah, your California will have it Texas never will.
Dave Bittner 1:19:05
Right. Yep. Absolutely. You have it. Alright. Well, before we go something I've been thinking about a question I wanted to run by both of you that I've been for no particular reason I've been thinking about but I thought it'd be fun to talk about here. So if you had to choose one song, to represent the music of the 80s, the decade of the 80s, musically, and you had to choose one song to play to someone who was not around in the 80s or has no idea what 80s music is about? What song would you choose to be the representative piece of popular music for the 1980s and why?
Brian Schulmeister 1:19:46
I have to tell you that I thought more about this particular bit than the than the rest of the fucking show that I've done. Right now an hour and a half show and I've spent more time contemplating Picking it apart coming at it from different angles. First, I thought, well, it would have to be something that was just very popular. But then I was like, No, I was so niche, and I listened to weird alternative music that they now play in Whole Foods. So I should go that direction. Should it be Michael Jackson? Should it be paula abdul? I don't know. I don't know. But I did end up on something that I'm very confident and happy with.
Dave Bittner 1:20:21
All right. All right. Well, before we get your answer, Jason, how did you how did you approach this question
Jason DeFillippo 1:20:26
exactly the same as Brian did? A standard question than any even more than NF T. I've thought about this question.
Dave Bittner 1:20:34
Okay, good. I too. When the piston struck me over the weekend, I spent a lot of time thinking, in fact, my initial answer, I changed my initial answer, because I think I came up with a better answer, and I will share the reason with you. So why don't we start with you, Brian, what was your answer?
Brian Schulmeister 1:20:53
The safety dance?
Jason DeFillippo 1:20:55
Brian Schulmeister 1:20:57
there is nothing more at ease. And it also started as alternative but went mainstream. Good one.
Dave Bittner 1:21:03
Yep. That's a good choice. I have to say whenever I hear a safety dance, come on the radio or whatever. I do. Turn it up. And it makes me happy. Yeah.
Jason DeFillippo 1:21:11
Excellent choice. Excellent. Okay, I didn't see that one coming from you, Brian. I'm impressed.
Dave Bittner 1:21:15
Thank you, Jason. How
Jason DeFillippo 1:21:16
about you hungry like the wolf by Duran Duran. Oh,
Brian Schulmeister 1:21:19
that screams 80s. That's true. Yeah. The The only problem I have with that one is it's such a visual to you don't just hear the song. You see the video. You see
Jason DeFillippo 1:21:29
the video in your mind's eye? Yes.
Dave Bittner 1:21:32
I don't find that disqualifying though, because I think video is such a big part of 80s music True that. And I mean, I would put the video for safety dance in that category as well.
Brian Schulmeister 1:21:43
That was quite memorable.
Jason DeFillippo 1:21:44
Yeah. Not good, but memorable.
Dave Bittner 1:21:48
My choice is, drumroll please. Hmm. Beat it by Michael Jackson.
Brian Schulmeister 1:21:53
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And also a very strong video.
Dave Bittner 1:21:57
So I started out, and my my initial choice was thriller. I thought what could be more 80s than thriller with that music video and all the different elements of that. But then I actually was was I heard beat it. And what struck me was the Eddie Van Halen guitar solo. Hmm, yeah, right. So we have everything about Michael Jackson. There are synthesizers a drum machine, Michael Jackson all these things but then an Eddie Van Halen guitar solo also at super AC a few Super 80s so that's my answer is beat it by Michael Jackson. But I think I like all these I think all these are good answers.
Brian Schulmeister 1:22:43
Come on. Eileen was a way up on my list.
Jason DeFillippo 1:22:46
Oh, did you hear they remade that? I heard it on camera the other day. It's terrible. That's terrible. I mean, it's worse than the the Africa remake.
Brian Schulmeister 1:22:57
Oh, we are the world that is that is an ultimate 80 song. And it's got everybody.
Jason DeFillippo 1:23:01
Yeah, so this is the problem with
Brian Schulmeister 1:23:04
sticking with safety dance.
Dave Bittner 1:23:06
I didn't think of We Are the World that's I mean, that's got everybody.
Brian Schulmeister 1:23:11
That's pretty good. That's got bondo next to Phil Collins sitting on his lap. I mean, come on. It's pretty good.
Dave Bittner 1:23:19
The only person not on we're the world is Prince, right? Yes. That one out? Yeah. All right. Well, I'm sure our listeners will have opinions and I would love to hear what their opinions are. And not just their choice, but the argument for why they think it's a strong opinion. I think that could be Yeah, I'm thing to contemplate, but I think they should be.
Jason DeFillippo 1:23:38
I think this should be a top fiver because you know, I'd still would I would throw in karma chameleon in there.
Brian Schulmeister 1:23:43
All right, on our future BuzzFeed article.
Dave Bittner 1:23:47
Right, right. Right. We surveyed 500 podcast listeners and came up with top 580 songs.
Jason DeFillippo 1:23:57
God Am I gonna have to be at Survey Monkey today make it up a survey?
Brian Schulmeister 1:24:00
Yes you are. Oh, no,
Dave Bittner 1:24:03
I didn't mean to give you homework there Jason but but I mean it is it is the thing all of us spent the most time on this week so
Jason DeFillippo 1:24:13
yeah, it might not have been the most time but I definitely put the most cycles into this and I went
Brian Schulmeister 1:24:17
I went to Spotify I listened to tracks
Dave Bittner 1:24:20
yeah yep yeah all right. All right answers all around I there's a it's funny that none of us have strong opinions to the contrary with any of our choices right now they're
Brian Schulmeister 1:24:30
all like Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:24:32
Dave Bittner 1:24:33
I you know, I would say the only thing I would say about hungry like the wolf is that I would is maybe I would choose Rio instead.
Jason DeFillippo 1:24:41
See I was on the fence with it. I was on the fence with it. I mean, I toggled between Rio girls on film and hungry like the wolf because to me, Duran Duran, just is quintessential 80s from the synthesizers to the hair and to the out yet, and I mean, prime Simon Labonte
Brian Schulmeister 1:24:57
it's hard to not pick a Duran Duran song that would work Yeah, yeah, Planet Earth would work the reflex with that insane crazy video.
Jason DeFillippo 1:25:06
Yeah. And you got to go to the deep cuts new moon on Monday or the chauffeur. I mean, come on. There's so many
Brian Schulmeister 1:25:12
the chauffeur still one of my favorite songs of all time. One of the greatest songs it is fucking amazing
Jason DeFillippo 1:25:21
songs in the
Dave Bittner 1:25:24
80s Music Corner
Jason DeFillippo 1:25:26
keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars
Dave Bittner 1:25:29
right alright guys, that's all I have to talk to you next time.
Jason DeFillippo 1:25:37
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Jason DeFillippo 1:26:08
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Brian Schulmeister 1:26:39
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