No free lunches with cryptocurrency; DMV probing Tesla because words matter; Facebook toxic content moderators offered wellness coaches; YouTube Kids problem with autoplay; get ready for in-car ads; Waymo gets confused by construction; WarnerMedia and Discovery merger; Gates McFadden & Sarah Silverman; the Nevers; ProCon; playing with AirTags; NoPhone & NoPhone Air; On This Day In History; the Egg; pinball wizards; DarkSide Ransomware “quits”; buying data; leaky exercise APIs; Venmo is dumb; double-encryption; facial recognition for the people!

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Show Notes


Amazon Exclusive Star Wars The Child Chia Pet Floating Edition with Stand, “aka Baby Yoda” with Seed Packet, Decorative Pottery Planter, Easy to Do and Fun to Grow

‘Green’ bitcoin alternative Chia is leading to hard disc shortages


DMV probing whether Tesla violates state regulations with self-driving claims

Crypto exchange Binance faces US money laundering probe

Bitcoin and Dogecoin Are at Elon Musk’s Mercy

Chia: the ‘green’ cryptocurrency bounces on Elon Musk’s Bitcoin U-turn

Facebook moderators facing toxic content told to take up ‘karaoke and painting’, Committee hears

Facebook users bypass misinformation rules with anti-vaccine profile frames

How YouTube Kids keeps kids watching

Get Ready for In-Car Ads

Waymo had to rescue an autonomous van that was confused by safety cones


Gates McFadden Investigates: Who do you think you are?

The Sarah Silverman Podcast

The Nevers

Laura Donnelly



Instead Of Traditional Warfare, Chinese Military Will Now Be Trained To Shout Wrong Pronouns At American Troops

Apple AirTag

The NoPhone Original Cell Phone

The NoPhone Air


On This Day in History Sh!t Went Down by James Fell

The Egg and Other Stories by Andy Weir

Effortless by Greg McKeown


The CyberWire

Dave Bittner

Hacking Humans


Recorded Future

The Mandalorian Pinball

Fireball Pinball

DarkSide Ransomware Gang Quits After Servers, Bitcoin Stash Seized

The Pentagon is tracking US citizens without a warrant, Senator says

Echelon exposed riders’ account data, thanks to a leaky API

We Found Joe Biden’s Secret Venmo. Here’s Why That’s A Privacy Nightmare For Everyone.

Ransomware’s Dangerous New Trick Is Double-Encrypting Your Data

Try This One Weird Trick Russian Hackers Hate

This facial recognition website can turn anyone into a cop — or a stalker



Robert Fogarty 0:02
grumpy old geeks, a weekly talk show hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason defilippo. Discussing the finer points of what went wrong on the internet. And who's to blame.

Jason DeFillippo 0:16
Welcome to grumpy old geeks. I'm Jason defilippo.

Brian Schulmeister 0:19
And I'm Brian Schulmeister.

What's up?

Jason DeFillippo 0:23
eight in the morning, what do you want to be up?

Brian Schulmeister 0:25
It is eight in the morning and I'm Froggy and coffee, as per usual, so I'll try to keep that to a minimum. I'm exhausted. I had a weekend. What do you do? All kinds of stuff, man. It's, uh, you know, we're open baby.

Jason DeFillippo 0:38
Oh, yeah, we're totally open.

Brian Schulmeister 0:39
Not that I'm fantastically comfortable with it or anything. But, you know, we went to the Huntington gardens all outdoors, you know, mass on over the weekend. That was nice. We went and saw my cousin in law sat outside her place and let the kids all play together. You know, that was nice. And then I stayed in a hotel for the first time. What? Yeah, well, it was my birthday weekend. So

Jason DeFillippo 1:03
Happy birthday.

Brian Schulmeister 1:04
Thank you.

Jason DeFillippo 1:05
I did not hear from you. That's your birthday present you didn't hear from

Brian Schulmeister 1:10
Yeah, so we we went out to Ohai and stayed at the Ohai Valley Inn resort. So because they had the convenient, you know, they have like villas, so you can like drive up and they had contactless check in and all that. So we, you know, we're never in an elevator or anything like that. So it was very nice and very comfortable. dined outdoors for the first time in a year and four months or whatever. Hmm, that's pretty crazy. It feels weird, doesn't it? Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 1:38
It feels really weird.

Brian Schulmeister 1:39
The first step I think I did to you know, we're coming out of this life was I stopped wearing masks on my bike rides. But this was a whole new level. Like this weekend, I was around more people than I've seen in a year and whatever. And it's a little Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome going on. There's no doubt about it.

Jason DeFillippo 1:57
Yeah, we did. Like cut two weeks ago to celebrate the the max donation. We went to the the Polo Lounge at the Beverly Hills Hotel, and that was inside outside half hybrid. Right. And we were with people. We know all everybody was vaccinated. And, you know, that was kind of our big coming out party. And I knew everybody. Yeah. And then this weekend, we went to the the Bel Air hotel, and had lunch with people I'd never met before. Hmm, that's risky. Well, we were all vaccinated. Everybody's vaccinated. And you know, two weeks long plus, but it was weird meeting new people. You lose so many social skills. And that was half the conversation is like, this is weird. What like, I don't know where to look. I don't know what's going on it. Everybody felt it. But it was fun. It was nice to get out. But it was definitely weird.

Brian Schulmeister 2:44
Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So kind of dipping the toe out there, but still doing it as safely as possible. Basically, I'm following what the CDC recommended. We could do like six months ago.

Jason DeFillippo 2:54
Mm hmm.

Brian Schulmeister 2:54
So that's where I'm at. All right. All right. Good times.

Jason DeFillippo 2:59
So it looks like we got a little follow up.

Brian Schulmeister 3:01
Mm hmm. Jay wrote in said did grumpy old geeks get hacked? I was listening along and before I knew it, a strange man was reading an ad for Blue Yeti saying microphone of choice if you want to do podcasting. Okay, okay. So not hacked is this part of some new podcasts as CES ad system as a assume what he meant? What a perfect ad to kick it off with. It's all part of our master plan to stop everybody else from podcasting. So yeah, well actually listened to us.

Jason DeFillippo 3:24
We want everybody to have the worst mic possible. So we run run ads for Blue Yeti, and we take their money. Oh, like point 002 cents worth for that read. I'm looking into this because that's a problem. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 3:36
we were given a list of things that we could check off on which were okay for ads and which weren't. But yeah, considering, you know, we shit on their mic all the time. Although, I

Jason DeFillippo 3:47
guess it is kind of, you know, poetic justice that we get paid to us. Yes, that's true. But it might confuse the audience. I'm guessing. So we're gonna have that removed. So sorry about that. Jay, I definitely look into it. Yeah, I get lists every week of things that we will do and we won't do. And I always go through them because I know I know what I'll do. For Love, just not money. Just not Blue Yeti. Yep.

Brian Schulmeister 4:13
Hey, and Jeremy wrote in regarding the chia mining PC name if the chia pet is sitting on top of a mini PC, doesn't that make it a chia pet a stool?

Jason DeFillippo 4:22
Yeah, it would have been funny if it was if we were still in the petabyte space. Sadly, we're in the exabyte space now, which makes me sad. makes me sad. There's literally there's there's six exabytes of hard drive space on the network now, and it's going up by like half an exabyte a day.

Brian Schulmeister 4:39
Yeah, yeah. And Barrett wrote in with an article about that she is leading to a hard drive shortage. So this is from the author's there's no free lunch files. Yeah. The green Bitcoin alternative is leading the hard disk shortages because you're chunking through hard drives and people are buying them up like no tomorrow just like people bought up all the hard core graphics cards to mined their Bitcoins. This is this is just turning me off more and more and more to all these stupid cryptocurrencies. It's, it's it's just, it's like where everybody is just like building up their farts and hoping that Elon Musk decides to up farts on Twitter, so their farts are fucking worse something in meantime, we're using more power than Argentina and we're destroying hard drives left, right and center.

Jason DeFillippo 5:24
Well, you're only destroying the SSD is the main hard drives those those are just normal those don't get burnt out. Okay, so just some counties that just a little plotters do and you know, they'll last for about six months or so. But because you're just Yeah, you're just writing to them a lot. But yes, we are all in the CIAs space Fingers crossed waiting for Ilan to say something because then we can all just get the hell out.

Brian Schulmeister 5:47
Well, he kind of did say something and we'll get to that.

Jason DeFillippo 5:50
So just another little bit of follow up on the the chia pet a stool. I did buy a chia pet for farm I got the Amazon exclusive Star Wars The child chia pet floating edition with stand aka baby Yoda with seed packet decorative pottery planter easy to do and fun to grow.

Brian Schulmeister 6:11
I will point out if it's the floating edition Why does it have a stand

Jason DeFillippo 6:16
in the US so the floating chia pet is just about as good as self driving cars from Tesla because they both mean about the same thing. The California DMV is now probing whether Tesla violate state regulations with self driving claims which have we had by Brian How long have we said that words matter

Brian Schulmeister 6:41
and you've call it self driving that means every fuckin hopped up you know Bitcoin fucking billionaire bro that bought themselves a Tesla and it's got some hot chick in the car is gonna hit the check this out Baby let's go make out it's got autopilot.

Jason DeFillippo 6:57
Yeah, I think I think we should call these people who who do this with Tesla's electro Bros. electro Bros. So yeah, they they're saying that you know, you paid $10,000 you get the quote unquote full self driving package, which it is not it is not fully self driving it changes lanes, stops it stop signs, traffic lights, hopefully orange cones, orange cones and

Brian Schulmeister 7:19
get rid of T shirts.

Jason DeFillippo 7:22
So yeah, the DMV is investigating and if they find the Tesla is misleading customers potential penalties include suspension or revocation of DMV autonomous vehicle deployment permits, permits and manufacturer and dealer licenses. Oh, I yeah, I wish I just sold my stock

Brian Schulmeister 7:44
You know, it is what it is I still got such a lead on this stuff i do i mean he's even the thought must even actually address or at least Tesla address this it's time to change the language on this people it's it just is you can't you're it's false advertising at this point. And in case anybody thought I was being sexist by saying the whole like it's the bit bro with the with the chick in the car. I will point out in this article social media are rife with video showing drivers mostly young men coming Tesla's easily defeated driver because it's young men that do this stupid shit.

Jason DeFillippo 8:16
Yeah, yeah, guys are dumb. We all know that. That's just common sense. That's not sexist.

Brian Schulmeister 8:23
And and more bro noise crypto exchange by Nance is facing us money laundering probe. Oh, who would have thunk that? Dude, I think that considering every single ransomware it goes straight to cryptocurrency. Why are we surprised by this? And of course, as we've been talking about, since all this stuff came out, what a great way to launder money.

Jason DeFillippo 8:41

Brian Schulmeister 8:43
Well, now it's NF T's. Yes. That's the new way to do it by some bullshit art. x, which is just a link, just a link to a file on a web server that you own.

Jason DeFillippo 8:55
But you don't on the web server,

Brian Schulmeister 8:57
but you don't. And you don't own the link. And everybody else can get the file.

Jason DeFillippo 9:01
Yep. But yeah, okay. Sure. Right. It's a thing it's real. Sure. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 9:05
So they get the they're getting into this because of course, you know, again, these companies have paid they they've given a nod and a wink to all this stuff as well because you know, it's a bit by Nance has not been able been available in the US because the US is like what are you talking about here? No, no, no. We have like laws and rules and stuff that one is supposed to follow. And of course, they advertised that Americans should use a VPN to hide their location when seeking access to exchange. Yes, a nod wink wink. Yeah, not one quick. There you go. Is that a bad thing? Brian? I'm using a VPN not if you go to Gog dot show slash VPN? Of course not. That is totally fine. No, alpha, you know it. Well, no, it's not but buyer beware, right? You want to go put your money in there. Okay, good luck with that. Just not the illegal stuff and you know, you got to pay taxes on your earnings and etc, etc, etc.

Jason DeFillippo 9:59
Yeah. Like coin base, you know, coin base does that stuff report? Yes, that kind of shit. So yeah, but you know, people who have I don't know lots of chia have to find alternatives right now to move their money around. So you have to have some way to kind of get it from one coin to another to another to kind of repatriated into your pocket. So I know a lot of people that do this kind of thing, and it is sketchy. It is very, very sketchy. Most people get get through and get their money out after jumping through many hoops, and some don't

Brian Schulmeister 10:31
some, I mean, just last week, we were talking about a guy that was running an exchange that basically just took all the money and ran.

Jason DeFillippo 10:38
Yeah, the turkey guy, right? Yeah, exactly.

Brian Schulmeister 10:42
And there's a good article over on slate about how Bitcoin and Dogecoin are basically at Elon Musk's mercy and this is a problem it's unusual for a single person to be able to so effectively influence the price of a certain cryptocurrency and he has been doing that he's gaming the system as we all know. And of course the the real bit pros, the solid ones, the respectable ones the suit and tie ones are saying, this was all about decentralization, that was the key breakthrough about Bitcoin and this is goes against all of it, except for the fact that it's kind of baked into the fucking system that can be juice juice this easily right.

Jason DeFillippo 11:15
Yeah, it always has been, it always has been years we've been saying that new people who did it, you know, these cabals of whales would get together and they wouldn't they would buy and sell to you know, inflate or deflate the price as needed. You know, somebody came into a bunch of money everybody's like, Okay, well we're gonna we're gonna drop the price again So Joe can get in on the on the scam, and then bring it back up and then he sells and then it just the cycle keeps repeating.

Brian Schulmeister 11:41
And in case you're you're not remembering the timeline on this. Let's take a brief brief look down memory lane, and we're only talking to a couple months here. Musk buys a whole bunch of Bitcoin through Tesla. Oh, look at that. We're going to accept Bitcoin. Bitcoin goes through the roof. Hmm. It's almost earnings report time, Tesla isn't quite going to make it. They sell a shit ton of the juice Bitcoin, which makes up the windfall, which gets them over earnings. And then he starts talking about how Bitcoin sucks, and Bitcoin falls. Yep. Do you think he's about to buy a whole bunch more?

Jason DeFillippo 12:16
He could be but here's the thing. You know, I was reading a, an article this morning about how like, is this illegal for him to do what he's doing? And he is really, really, really on the razor's edge right now he's

Brian Schulmeister 12:30
walking the line.

Jason DeFillippo 12:31
He is really on the razor's edge because it's kind of the same thing that john McAfee got busted for. You know, it's it's market manipulation but with the with the

Brian Schulmeister 12:45
unregulated markets, Lucky him.

Jason DeFillippo 12:47
Well, the thing is, it's like you can't there's certain things you can't say you have to use your words properly. If you don't use your words properly, then you can get in trouble like john McAfee was like, I do not own any of this. Go buy a bunch of it. And then in his Twitter dm, he's like, how much should we get? How much did we get okay celled cells, because he thought, Twitter DMS for some reason were secure. So much for McAfee's legacy in secure software. Dumb ass. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 13:14
Yeah. And then Barrett wrote in with a see the the problem with these articles is they're they're out of date like with after publishing, so he sent an article from the telegraph about chia the green cryptocurrency which we know that isn't green anymore. It's kind of bounced off. greenish, greenish Bitcoin U turn. Because, you know, he then hyped it a little bit and Bitcoin went down. So cheer went up, but now, I believe he said something about ci is fine, but we could do better. And now you know, everybody's going okay, so he's gonna come out with his own coin. Now. Well see.

Jason DeFillippo 13:49
I mean, he's also working with the Dogecoin guys to try and bump that up. So it's, it's just a dude

Brian Schulmeister 13:55
supposed to be running two companies.

Jason DeFillippo 13:58
Yeah, well, he's just saying that trip to the moon. So

Brian Schulmeister 14:00
he has a brand new kid. Like I've been juggling trying to just fucking exist and have a kid and you know, do a podcast I don't know what he's letting the ball drop on something. Is it the kid? Is it Tesla? Well, it's obviously Tesla right now. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, well, he

Jason DeFillippo 14:17
can afford nannies with all that debt. Fine. Dogecoin and Bitcoin windfall, you know?

Brian Schulmeister 14:22
Yes, but one is supposed to hang out with one kiss one's kids sometime. Yeah. Now. Yeah, that's true. I saw Downton Abbey they see him for like a half an hour during tea time.

Jason DeFillippo 14:31
Exactly. That's it. Oh, I have a child. Oh, get it away from me. It's time for my D

Brian Schulmeister 14:37
Yeah. And Vincent sent in his normal you know 10 paragraphs but I did pull this one Facebook. Oh, Facebook, play me a song please. My dear Facebook and this talks about some of the stuff we've talked about before. This is over an Ireland though. Facebook moderators facing toxic content told to take up karaoke and painting. So they are having a committee over there about some of the people that are working for Facebook. They Well, not working for Facebook because they're, you know, kept at hands length, of course, or arm's length. They've all had to sign non disclosure agreements. They're technically the contractors and all that sort of stuff. And they're watching all this horrible stuff that we've talked about. And the manager told him that they should limit their exposure to two hours maximum a day. But that's their job.

Jason DeFillippo 15:19
Yeah. How do you do that? Pay me for eight now only work to switch it. I'll

Brian Schulmeister 15:25
take that job. Yeah, count me in. Yeah. So that instead, instead of getting clinical health, mental health care support, they've been given wellness coaches, and we know what those are. They're bullshit artists. Yeah. Yeah. So that's going great. And other Facebook news, we have Facebook users have bypassed misinformation rules by putting up anti vaccine profile frames. What? Well, Facebook has been doing a not great but somewhat decent job of stopping anti Vax posts by at least putting up a little thing saying that this is probably not correct. And here's the link to correct information. But the small amount of individuals that are gaming the system and flooding Facebook with anti Vax stuff to sow discord, and, you know, screw everything up, have found out that these filters don't include the frames that you can put around your profile picture. Okay, which you'd think would be pretty easy to filter to.

Jason DeFillippo 16:18

Brian Schulmeister 16:20
And what I loved about this article is that Engadget reached out to Facebook to talk to them about it and pointed out to specifically, and Facebook removed the two, they talked, but the other ones are all still up. Nice. So that's great. Another example of how we get to be the Facebook police because Facebook won't police themselves.

Jason DeFillippo 16:39
Mm hmm. All right. Here's a simple here's a simple solution. Don't use Facebook.

Brian Schulmeister 16:43
Yeah, there's that.

Jason DeFillippo 16:44
Yeah, it's getting easier and easier, isn't it?

Brian Schulmeister 16:46
Yeah, it is. It really is.

Jason DeFillippo 16:48
I've been I was bouncing around some of the, the the backwaters of the internet this morning. And there are serious rumblings right now that Instagram is actually working on an NFT marketplace. Of course they are. Yep, they have been approaching approaching digital artists to try and get them into the community so they can launch this thing. And

Brian Schulmeister 17:09
look if they can charge you a buck 50 to hit a button on any of your Instagram posts to make it into an NFT that will never sell to anyone. Why wouldn't they catch Yang? Yeah, they're just providing a service.

Jason DeFillippo 17:21
Yep. And the funny part is I found this through Bruce Sterling, he posted a thread He's like, oh, NF t people whining about their, you know, their quote unquote, investments, like failing and going to zero. And it was just this whole long thread about you know, it, same thing. We talked about the mental gymnastics and how they're trying to, in their head, rationalize the fact that Oh, wait, sometimes things go down in value. Yes. That was ridiculous.

Brian Schulmeister 17:50
Hey, look, if you're $50,000 NFT purchases tanked and only worth 50 cents now, at least on the plus side. You're not on the hook for the taxes anymore.

Jason DeFillippo 17:57
That's true. That's true. Although were they ever going to be?

Brian Schulmeister 18:01
Well, they were supposed to have been

Jason DeFillippo 18:03
supposed to be but remember, a lot of people do not live in the United States. Yes. So that mean look at those NF T's came out of what Singapore? I believe that's where that virtual that that virtual QuickTime VR walkthrough museum is did you ever look love

Brian Schulmeister 18:19
them? Yeah, that thing's awesome.

Jason DeFillippo 18:21
Oh, like, we did a better job and like, what was it 1997 with Star Trek with actual VR, QuickTime VR? That wasn't Qt VR? It was web Web VR.

Brian Schulmeister 18:35
Yes, Web VR.

Jason DeFillippo 18:36
I remember that sound like that one of the one of the plugins that you could use in Netscape to actually do VR walkthroughs,

Brian Schulmeister 18:42
this entire show could be we did a better job with

Jason DeFillippo 18:48
that, and that better done that better.

Brian Schulmeister 18:51
I talked about my experience using YouTube kids a while back with my kid and how I ditched it and just went to straight up YouTube and monitored him because Youtube Kids was horrific. It's supposed to be a colorful, stripped down version of YouTube full of animations, bright colors, and cartoon avatars with, you know, vetted content. Unfortunately, of course, stuff sneaks through the crack. There's still an algorithm. In fact, the biggest problem I had with Youtube Kids is again, there's it's autoplay constantly, so it just rolls from video to video to video. Your kid doesn't get to pick the next video. It's an algorithm so you get to see what YouTube wants you to see. It's fucking horrible. And Congress is finally looking into it and saying, What the fuck people you are basically just hooking these kids on drugs and feeding them what you want them to see. And of course, bad stuffs slips through the cracks too. So it's just like being forced. You know, it's like clockwork orange. You're pinning your kids eyes open and just forcing them to watch it. And it's pretty bad. So they're looking into it now. And they did ask like, why can't you just turn off autoplay, autoplay, you can turn off and regular YouTube seems simple enough what you and I would have done Yep. They said in the coming months users will be able to control the autoplay feature and Youtube Kids because it'll take months to fucking flag to it.

Jason DeFillippo 20:08
Oh my god, that takes it's already there. You know, it's already there. So all they have to do is turn it on in the UI. Come on here is the bullshit that these people are spewing and that people are actually believing is it's unbelievable. It's really unbelievable. Hey, man, I bet you can't wait for that Instagram kids to come out.

Brian Schulmeister 20:29
I think that's gonna get quashed.

Jason DeFillippo 20:31
I think so too, I think was a 45 attorneys Attorney General's Attorneys General

Brian Schulmeister 20:36
said attorneys general Yes. because English is weird kids.

Jason DeFillippo 20:41
It is and that's one of the ones where it's like I know it's attorneys general. But I always think that doesn't sound right. It's what you don't it because I know it's like oh that's not what people usually say. And then I always flip it back the other way cuz I have it in my it's language is hard.

Brian Schulmeister 20:56
Yes hard. And Charles writes in UK in car ads using vehicle forward facing cameras to process billboards and serve them onto the vehicles infotainment screen. Thanks, Ford. So they've patented a system that we'll use because all the cars have cameras now that we use the the vehicles cameras that are facing forward to catch the Billboard and then give enhanced content on your infotainment display as inescapable in vehicle advertisements. So you pass a billboard for Taco Bell and it'll pop up a nearest Taco Bell is here. Get 29 cents off a maxim melt. They still do max amounts.

Jason DeFillippo 21:33
I don't know. I don't know. I just did the Taco Bell. Get rid of the seven layer burrito during the pandemic. And now that for me was the worst casualty of the pandemic. I know I sound like Gwyneth Paltrow they're

Brian Schulmeister 21:44
not about the 500,000 people that have died.

Jason DeFillippo 21:47
Yeah, not that not my several friends that have died from it. It's the Yeah, it's the seven layer burrito. Yeah, about this, okay. It's a patent. You know, people patent this crap all the time. You know, what I would like to see a patent for if we're going to be using all of these cars in camera systems, they're all going to be networked. You know, privacy is dead, get over it, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Why can't we use this for things like I don't know, Amber alerts. You know, wouldn't that be a better use case instead of 15 cents off a chalupa?

Brian Schulmeister 22:17
So if that there's no money to be made there, Jason.

Jason DeFillippo 22:21
I know. I know. The public good saving lives. You know, things like that. If you looked around America recently, I guess you can't monetize that shit. Can you?

Brian Schulmeister 22:30
Nope. Can't monetize it.

Jason DeFillippo 22:31
No, I got it. This Amber Alert brought to you by Pizza Hut. catch the bad guy.

Brian Schulmeister 22:39
Get a free pizza,

Jason DeFillippo 22:40
get a free pizza. Exactly. That's how you do it?

Brian Schulmeister 22:43
Well, I think the real usage for this is is going to be the subscription model right? So if you if you don't want to get all these ads and your infotainment screen you pay up

Jason DeFillippo 22:52
every month. If this is if this actually rolls out and forwards I will not be buying another Ford.

Brian Schulmeister 22:57
No, definitely not. And the article that we've talked to kind of alluded to a little bit earlier about safety cones. This is way mo not Tesla but there you go. And I just love the beginning. opening sentence of this article programming a computer to understand and navigate roads designed for human drivers is hard just to ask Ilan Musk, or have listened to our show for a long time, which is why this is always 20 years away. So there's a 35 minute video from Joel Johnson via Autoblog who is a YouTuber who shares clips of his trips with way mo one in Arizona. What a fascinating channel that must be. Did you watch this video?

Jason DeFillippo 23:34
I did. It was it was like oh god Come on. Get it I'm scrubbing

Brian Schulmeister 23:38
get to I know 12 minutes into the video. Yeah. Johnson's car wants to turn right onto a multi lane street but unfortunately for way mo driver the rightmost Lane was closed with construction cones marking the obstruction as anybody that lives in any city knows this is normal. This happens everywhere. The car stalls unsure of what to do next, a way will representative contacts Johnson to tell him roadside assistance is on the way. Before help arrives the car suddenly moves to complete the turn. Only the stop in between both lanes.

Jason DeFillippo 24:08
I want I want Louis black to voice the car's internal monologue. It just go limited. fac

Brian Schulmeister 24:19
just backs up a few feet blocking the whole lane instead of just half of it.

Jason DeFillippo 24:24

Brian Schulmeister 24:25
And then the construction worker comes by to collect the cones that are confused the driver to begin with and right before support arrives the car darts away from the situation only to encounter more cones and send out another call for help. Yeah, this is ready for primetime. Oh,

Jason DeFillippo 24:41
yeah. Oh, yeah, I think I think there's something to be said though, for I think we can make a show. We got to call Louis black and just I think

Brian Schulmeister 24:49
Yeah, now that's a YouTube channel and subscribe to

Unknown Speaker 25:02
Media Kennedy

Jason DeFillippo 25:05
Well, he turned the TV on today, all you can see is Warner media and discovery are merging. Alright,

Brian Schulmeister 25:12
because he just that means discovery plus wasn't doing that great and of itself.

Jason DeFillippo 25:16
Well, at&t is not doing that great. They gotta write down like $140 billion in debt. So this is gonna this, this deal is going to give them like another 45 billion to kind of throw to the coffers. around 125 billion, I don't know, it's in the B it's real money that at&t owes. So, the good thing about this is there might be some consolidation on channels, you know, some some thing less to subscribe to, but that's what they're saying is going to be the case. If that's actually going to come to fruition, who the hell knows? Because these big mergers like this just turned both companies into just a fluster cluck for years. Yeah.

Brian Schulmeister 25:53
I mean, all of a sudden, nobody knows how to do anything. Mm hmm. And it's just becomes endless conference calls. So yeah, yeah. It's like, Can we put up a new episode of the kitchen yet? No, we're only keeping the five year old ones. Okay. All right. That's what we're gonna do. Great. Okay, thanks.

Jason DeFillippo 26:07
Why is guy theory so young on my new paid subscription?

Brian Schulmeister 26:11
And yet so stretched out and even fatter? Because you've decided to not not process the non HD videos correctly?

Jason DeFillippo 26:18
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, whatever it is, it's rich people getting richer gives us yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 26:24
I mean, Warner media, just disaster after disaster after disaster of acquisitions, they can never do anything, right. I know a lot of people that actually really enjoyed discovery plus, and I'm terrified. This is just gonna destroy it.

Jason DeFillippo 26:38
I hope it doesn't, because I actually, that's the one that I watched the most. Yeah, I literally watched that one the most out of all of the streaming services that I have. And we got into it last night just talking about, we should have our cable channel pay for some of these because we can get some of these and I'm just like, no complicated as to call the cable company. And it's so easy to just get it for a while and unsubscribe. That's why I like the Apple TV version, because you can just unsubscribe in one click. Yeah, super easy. It's super easy. So yeah, my Showtime and stars is hitting the road now because there's nothing on those.

Brian Schulmeister 27:09
I'm getting ready to buy Showtime for Dexter. When's that coming back? It's September or something like that. So I'll buy it for the two month run that it takes to get through the episodes.

Jason DeFillippo 27:20
Yeah, but in between now and then I can save like 40 bucks. Oh,

Brian Schulmeister 27:22
yeah. I can't Why would you have it now? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's the the brave new world right the subscribe, unsubscribe, subscribe, unsubscribe. And just like the gym model. They're betting on people, not unsubscribing. So

Jason DeFillippo 27:35
yeah, I literally have a calendar now of what shows that I have to watch on and on what platform because it is so hard to remember what's where because it takes so long to get through the menus. And God just Hulu still

Brian Schulmeister 27:49
took like, like I've said, I've set up an entire calendar. You know, a separate calendar for my apple calendar that is basically just subscribe and unsubscribe dates. Yeah, mine's not even that. I

Jason DeFillippo 27:59
need to put that into the calendar. Yeah. Because that's that's part of it, too. I needed that is going to be way more complicated than my actual calendar, which was messed up. You know, I

Brian Schulmeister 28:09
know. But yeah, it's

Jason DeFillippo 28:11
like, okay, what's starting when I can't get notifications because notifications don't work. This would obscure channel as this on epics. But we aren't going to get epics. God, it's a mess. Yep, maybe this will clean it up just a little bit.

Brian Schulmeister 28:27
There you go. We'll see. I listened to two podcasts this week that I had not listened to before one is brand new. I listened to gates McFadden investigates. Who do you think you are, and gates McFadden is of course, Dr. Crusher. TMG. And she will be talking to basically everybody that was ever on Star Trek ever. I mean, they don't say that. Specifically, they say that. She'll sit down with close friends and former co stars. But if she wants people to listen to her podcast, it's only gonna be Star Trek people. And it started with Star Trek people.

Jason DeFillippo 28:54
Jonathan frakes. Right.

Brian Schulmeister 28:56
Yeah, first. Yeah. And I like gates McFadden a lot. I like Jonathan frakes a lot. It was great to listen to them talk. Very little Star Trek. Okay, which is of course why people are showing up.

Jason DeFillippo 29:08
I don't know. I kind of like the behind Jonathan frakes. Especially because he's had such a, you know, interesting and varied career. Yeah, fine. I'm

Brian Schulmeister 29:15
coming there to hear back stories from Star Trek. Dammit.

Jason DeFillippo 29:19
Okay. Okay. So that's okay. So it's a pass for you

Brian Schulmeister 29:23
know, I'll keep listening. You know, it was the first one it was obviously this thing has been in the can for like six months, you can tell because they were talking about like early pandemic stuff. So this has been sitting around for quite some time. So we'll see. I will skip the Brent Spiner episode that guess why Oh, so I'm with him. He's, he's awesome. Weird. That's what I love about him. Okay. I also listened to the Sarah Silverman podcast because I've always loved Sarah Silverman, and I've never listened to her podcast. It is exactly what you'd expect it to be. It's, you know, liberal porn, but very funny liberal porn. So it's great. Okay, okay. I will not continue to Listen to it one was enough. I Okay, that

Jason DeFillippo 30:01
sounds whiter and

Brian Schulmeister 30:02
yeah, I will save my Sarah Silverman comedy for actual Polish comedy shows.

Jason DeFillippo 30:07
Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Sounds good. The Nevers wrapped up their first chunk of episodes this weekend. Hmm. Well that happened

Brian Schulmeister 30:18
was that that doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.

Jason DeFillippo 30:20
It is actually just the show completely flipped on its head and turned into a different show

Brian Schulmeister 30:27
altogether. So I did feel like it was part of the plan or halfway through panic.

Jason DeFillippo 30:34
No, it was part of the plan from the get go. It was definitely part of the plan. This has been this whole thing is scripted out. And it's very intricate. And I'm watching it. I'm like, Huh, I'm even getting goosebumps just thinking about it. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I am okay, I am really excited for the next chunk of episodes. Um, unfortunately, I don't know if what's his name is still going to be around for it. I forget what's his name, just Sweden, since he is on the outs with everybody. So I don't know if he's going to be part of the next season. I hope he is. You know, because this is definitely a just Sweden joint. I mean, you know that I mean, the jokes are just classic Weeden. So, but I loved the twist in the main character is Laura Laura Donnelly. I've never seen her in anything before. I went back and I looked through her IMDb and her Wikipedia, link to Wikipedia will be in the show notes. I swear to God, I have seen her in a million different things. But I haven't

Brian Schulmeister 31:36
I've never seen any one of the shows that she's been in. None, whatsoever. But I swear to God, I know this one from somewhere.

Jason DeFillippo 31:45
I mean, she does look like an ex of mine from a long time ago like spitting image. But this I swear I've seen her in something but she's great in the show. I really enjoy her. But it's just it's one of those things. It's driving me crazy because I'm like, who she look alike for because I I've literally never seen a thing she's ever done in my life. Except for this and she's fantastic. But yeah, I think I it's all gonna come down to what they do for the second half of the first season. Or if it's just another season, I don't know how they're gonna work this because it was only like six episodes. So I'm guessing it's like the you know, the mid break the pandemic break.

Brian Schulmeister 32:25
See, this sounds like a textbook example of a show that I should probably wait and see on

Jason DeFillippo 32:30
probably probably. But I loved it. I loved it. I really hope they bring it back and cool. Keep the same staff but that's up in the air. Thanks, jazz

Unknown Speaker 32:42
ups and doodads.

Brian Schulmeister 32:45
A friend of mine posted about a site and I checked it out. And it is a great source for basic pros and cons just the facts, ma'am on various issues and obviously thorny issues. So if you have questions about things that you don't feel comfortable posting publicly because I look like an idiot or talking to friends about this is a good site to go to to get the the basic pros and cons of any issue. And it obviously hasn't been redesigned since like 1995. So it's good for its old Back to the Future kind of look. Yeah, not touching the design forever. Content is new though. So you know, it's worth it. It's a good site. It's it's a Snopes on steroids.

Jason DeFillippo 33:24
Yeah, I kind of dug it. I didn't spend too much time with it. But I grabbed a couple of them and went through them. And I'm like, Oh, this is pretty well thought out. For sure. Yeah,

Brian Schulmeister 33:32
it really is. And Bob bag of doughnuts wrote in a Bob,

Jason DeFillippo 33:37
I have a bag of doughnuts.

Brian Schulmeister 33:39
Yeah, logged into Lincoln today. And it asked me if I wanted to add my pronoun to my name. I really, really thought you'd appreciate this article too. And this is a you know, kind of right wing onion site. Babylon beep instead of traditional warfare. Chinese military will now be trained to shout wrong pronouns and American troops. Har I don't know Bob. None of this doesn't this doesn't bother me. You can just click No, I think this falls squarely in the category if it bothers you so much. Perhaps you should look into yourself. Also conservatives are trying to shoot at jokes.

Jason DeFillippo 34:12
They're totally shifted jokes. It I find it annoying but not so annoying that it didn't really give a shit

Brian Schulmeister 34:20
I find the never ending cookie notices on every site far more annoying.

Jason DeFillippo 34:23
Oh god. Yes. That is the word that is way worse.

Brian Schulmeister 34:26
And look at what if somebody wants to call themselves something just fucking call them that. What's the big deal?

Jason DeFillippo 34:32
Yeah, because you know my pronouns are fucking master and commander. Call me that every time. I'm fine with it.

Brian Schulmeister 34:39
Replaced commander with something else and I think you've got something

Jason DeFillippo 34:41
a watch it. I picked up a couple air tags.

Brian Schulmeister 34:45
I knew you would. I wanted

Jason DeFillippo 34:47
to try them out to see what the what the hubbub was about and you know all this privacy concerns about what's what works with it, what doesn't work with it, blah, blah, blah. And it's got two of them to try out. One of my Actually, I'm going to use my backpack just in case I lose my backpack cuz I'm always paranoid when I go out if I'm gonna leave my backpack somewhere, right? So I thought it might actually be fairly useful. And the other one, I'm gonna try some experiments with experiments. They're bigger than I thought. They're thicker than I thought for sure. And I got didn't go for the apple key chain. I got like some little silicone $7 do Hickey from Amazon that works just fine. Right? Which I'll probably never use because I'm going to sew the thing into my backpack. So it's, you can't find it. The only downside of that is when you steal somebody's backpack. A lot of times people just take the stuff out of the backpack and leave the backpack.

Brian Schulmeister 35:41
Yeah, my backpack is in the trash can somewhere.

Jason DeFillippo 35:43
Yep, gets me Closer. Closer to the target. stay on target. I couldn't glue it to the top of my laptop, but I guess it could pry that off too. And the other one I was going to put under the seat of my bike, but then again, most thieves take the seat off. Yes, still the bike so yeah, I don't know. I just I want to play with them. I might do one of the hacks where you flash the firmware and put on your your codes? because why not? Why not? Just 25 bucks. I can play around with it. You know? And Jeff why from Twitter sent in this gym this morning? The no phone original cell phone at Amazon for $16 did you actually look at the product description? I did. It's pretty funny. It's funny. It's really funny. It's a fake phone is literally a piece of plastic. Yes and they know screen 12,000 of them.

Brian Schulmeister 36:39
No screen no data plan no battery, no charger no phone.

Jason DeFillippo 36:41
Yep. With a thin light and completely wireless designed to no phone acts as a surrogate to any smart mobile device enabling you to always have a rectangle of smooth cold plastic to clutch without forgoing any potential engagement with your direct environment. toilet bowl resistant breakthrough no camera and eternal battery life.

Brian Schulmeister 37:02
What I love the most about this is the Amazon algorithm to make you buy more things automatically pairs it with a phone holder bed gooseneck mount so you can get a bed gooseneck mount for your phone that are for your piece of plastic.

Jason DeFillippo 37:17
I know I think Shawn Bonner needs one of these out of anybody I know that's addicted to their phone This is that's the one guy that needs one of these. But it the genius just doesn't stop there though. They have the no phone air which is literally a bag of air that you can

Brian Schulmeister 37:36
list one I am unable to buy so Amazon has decided to pull this they're there

Jason DeFillippo 37:41
I found other buying options. But it's like $7 for a bag of air. But it's amazing. Again the the descriptions are pretty good.

Brian Schulmeister 37:51
It's funny stuff.

Jason DeFillippo 37:53
Yeah. Where was it? No headphone jack the no phone air was the first phone in the world to remove the headphone jack Why? Three words courage courage, courage. The no phone airways just zero ounces making it incredibly easy to carry and lose. Thank you Jeff why this was this was this was a great one.

Brian Schulmeister 38:19
The library I finally finished on this day in history shit went down by James fell. It was great. I this is one of my favorite books I've read in the last year. Basically, he finds out something interesting that happened in history on every single day of the year. And he just writes a short, very short like two to three pages tops. synopsis of it in his own very interesting style, which involves a lot of cuss words and fuck Trump's and everything like that. So it was hilarious, highly enjoyable. I'm happy to hear he's already done a second one because, you know, quarantine and lockdown so he's sat at home writing all these and he's been putting them up on Facebook for a while so you've been able to get a lot of them for free and that he's tried everything else he did Patreon now he's over on substack you know, trying to make a living. But so I bought his book because I haven't read all of them and it's nice to have them all in one place. And oh my god, it's damn funny, man. It sounds

Jason DeFillippo 39:19
like a perfect bathroom book.

Brian Schulmeister 39:21
It is perfect for that.

Jason DeFillippo 39:22
I read sorry. I listened to the egg and Other Stories by Andy Weir is an egg stuck in space. I I forgot the egg story yet I fell asleep halfway through cuz I was listening to it when I went to bed. But I got through the first three stories. It's only an hour in like a few minutes long. They're very short stories. They're very clever though. In one of the reasons I really like short stories. It's like okay, self contained, boom, no universe building. Just a clever premise. Well done writing and boom in and out. They're great. They're absolutely great if they I don't know if it's on Kindle, if it is pick it up, because I liked them a lot. And it was Yeah, there's no fix at porn as far as I can tell. This was just these are just really cool, funny stories sci fi, I was

Brian Schulmeister 40:07
a little disappointed that the egg isn't just a retelling of Humpty Dumpty, and he had to fix himself. Not my life

Jason DeFillippo 40:15
might be, I don't know, I haven't got like I said, I haven't gotten to that one yet. So I also read effortless by Greg McCune. He also wrote another book, I think called essentialism. That's one of those self helpy books. I like Greg, I've interviewed him on a couple other shows, I produced the interviews with other shows, I talked to him. And I like I like his style. This is a short book. And it's about how basically, you need to just look at why you make things so complicated and stop doing that. So it could have been a much shorter book by just saying, hey, look at why you make things so complicated and stop doing that.

Brian Schulmeister 40:54
Yes, it could have been the book. Most self help books can be one page. Knock it off.

Jason DeFillippo 40:58
Yeah. So I enjoyed it, just because I like Greg. But your mileage may vary if you're into the that kind of thing.

Unknown Speaker 41:10

Jason DeFillippo 41:14
once again, this fine Tuesday morning, we are joined by Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the cyber wire podcast co host of the social engineering podcast hacking humans with Joe Kerrigan co host of caveat with Ben yelin, where they discuss law and policy as well as surveillance and privacy. And finally, he's the co host of recorded future where he takes you inside the world of cyber threat intelligence. Welcome to the show, Dave. Thanks. Thanks

Brian Schulmeister 41:36
a lot. Dr. Episode.

Jason DeFillippo 41:39
It sounded like we need some soft chimes

Brian Schulmeister 41:41
in the background.

Dave Bittner 41:43
It's it's really nice to be here. Thank you all for doing appreciate it

Jason DeFillippo 41:46
to the very first talk to podcast. Right. Before we begin, I have to something I mentioned earlier in the show and it was driving me nuts. We said something like Web VR or whatever for the thing is VR ml. VR. ml was the acronym I was looking for. For sure. markup language. Yes, VR.

Brian Schulmeister 42:07
I go. I just remember the Microsoft edition that threw their hat into the ring there that I actually Microsoft contracted me to develop something for and I end up going to SIGGRAPH with it was a Microsoft chrome effects.

Jason DeFillippo 42:20
Oh, yeah, remember that? Yeah.

Dave Bittner 42:22
Do you guys, did you talk about QuickTime VR at all? Yes,

Brian Schulmeister 42:25
it was a brief aside.

Dave Bittner 42:29
I did. I did quite a bit of work with that. Back in the day.

Jason DeFillippo 42:32
I we only did one QuickTime VR project. And that was Titanic. We did a walkthrough of the ship. But yeah, VR ml was a walkthrough of another ship, which was the enterprise.

Dave Bittner 42:43
Oh, nice. Nice.

Jason DeFillippo 42:45
That's cool. Yeah. So I found this in my with my friend, Mike mSv. friend of the show, he finally could unveil what he had been working on for the past several months. And it turns out, it was the Mandalorian pinball machine. And I thought you guys really get a kick out of that. Yep. Yeah. What was he doing on it? He's one of the designers and testers and stuff like that. And he's been stirring for ages. So he makes pinball machines. That's cool. The video game industry burnt him out. Go back to the old geeks episode like 13 or 14 to hear his story about the sweatshop industry. Also, that is the game industry. But yeah, he worked on the Mandalorian pinball machine and it looks pretty good. Looks pretty good. does say.

Dave Bittner 43:27
Yeah, it does. I have to say, I'm very happy that we still have pinball machines. Yeah. Because I think it's that nice blend of the the electronic and the physical. And they're fun to play. They make a lot of noise. And these days, they pretty much have video games built into them. Yeah, yeah. And I can't imagine the the level of sophistication that they have compared to the early days, but I'm just happy that they've been able to survive that there's still a thing and we're still getting exciting pinball machines like this Mandalorian machine. I'm, I saw this as well. And I sent it to my son and we were like, okay, so where can we go play it? Where straw

Brian Schulmeister 44:09
hat pizza? Oh, they've been out of business for 30 years. Yeah, yeah.

Dave Bittner 44:13
There's a place near us called crab town USA, which is two thirds of the building is seafood restaurant where mostly they in the summertime they serve steamed crabs, which of course is a Maryland thing. But then about a third of the restaurant is an old school video arcade. And it's just full of all the old gay and they have a handful of new ones. But it's mostly the old ones. And they're all 25 cents apiece. And so we'll take the family and friends over there, have a nice dinner and then spend an hour or so just playing all the classics and it's a lot of fun. every town needs one of those,

Jason DeFillippo 44:52
you know? Yeah, they should have called the quarters and crabs.

Dave Bittner 44:58
I'll mention that next year.

Brian Schulmeister 45:00
Different types of

Jason DeFillippo 45:02
peep show. Yeah. Okay, the peep show down the road.

Brian Schulmeister 45:05
a different type of establishment Jason. Yeah. You know, I'm unable to separate pinball in my mind from silver spoons, which then leads me to think about Ricky Schroder, particularly as most recent years. So for me, it's just not a pleasant thought. Yeah,

Dave Bittner 45:21
I actually own a pinball machine. I bought one probably about a decade ago now. And it's a little bit of an odd ball. It's this relic from 1977. It's, there's a pinball machine called fireball, which was a very popular full sized arcade game. But Bally also made like a 4/5 scale version of it that they sold out of Sears stores. So it's all sort of real pinball machine guts, but the the actual cabinets a little bit smaller, and there's no coin up stuff on it. But you know, it plays like a like a real basic kind of pinball machines. Nothing like the modern ones today. It's one of the first machines that had led ease and actually had a computer inside to keep score and things like that. So, but it's a lot of fun. The kids like it, and when they have friends over everybody likes to play the old pinball machine. Oh, it's a lot of fun. I will link to a picture of it in the show notes here. It's a fun little relic fun to play.

Jason DeFillippo 46:20
I'm looking at it. I have played that. I have played that one. It's pretty fun. Yeah. Yeah, that was uh, one thing about living at Mike's house is the 20 pinball machines in the basement was pretty awesome. He's that guy would basically like the evening was watch days of our lives and go down into the basement and play for two hour to three hours on pinball machines or things them or whatever. It was a ton of fun. Very nice. Yes. Yes. And so should we get into some actual news? Some this guy? No, I find this one funny. Darkside ransomware gang quits after set after servers and Bitcoin stash seized. Now. I have questions about this. I have many questions about this one, because they came out with a statement saying that their servers were seized money of advertisers and founders was transferred to an unknown account. And that yeah, basically all their Bitcoin was taken away from them. And my first question is up first off the server seizures fine. Everybody does. That's easy. How did they get to your Bitcoin is what I would like to know, which makes me think that they didn't. And you guys, my question was

Brian Schulmeister 47:29
who's advertising?

Jason DeFillippo 47:32
Yeah, that's true, too. But

Brian Schulmeister 47:34
money of advertisers?

Jason DeFillippo 47:36
Well, this is this is evil as a service. So you know,

Brian Schulmeister 47:42
yeah. Okay. All right. Well, first off tough shit. Right, you know?

Dave Bittner 47:50

Yeah. I I'm with you, Jason, that I suspect they may have just taken the money and ran. It's hard to say. So I think I think the money that they may have lost was the money that was in transit between their payment systems and, you know, being converted to cryptocurrency and those sorts of things.

They're the infrastructure that was seized. I think they're, they lost something in there. But, you know, they got 5 million bucks from colonial pipeline. I want to say, according to the folks who are tracking their Bitcoin account, they've in the past six months or so they've taken in around $70 million. She's Wow. So they're not, we're not hurting. And the general consensus here is,

Brian Schulmeister 48:37
how much of that was just from butcherbox ads. That's

Dave Bittner 48:43 So the general consensus among security folks, is that they are not just they're not shutting down. They're just rebranding. They're, they're ready to keep the heat cool down for a little while. And they will be back under a new name with the light side. Yeah. it'll it'll look remarkably like the old software and will probably trigger the detection in the same way that this one does. So chances are they'll be back. And so we'll see.

Jason DeFillippo 49:23
My question is, you got $70 million. Just stop. What do you need? I know,

Brian Schulmeister 49:30
I know. It's not how these people work, right? Yeah. I mean, I asked the same thing about the aforementioned off air. Matthew McConaughey, please stop inflicting us with your movies. You have enough money?

Dave Bittner 49:42
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's it. It's never enough. Right. I mean, yeah. Because it's so easy, and there's no, there's no punishment for what they're doing. Why not? Why not go for $100 million. Why not go for a billion dollars and the goalposts always move? Mm hmm. The other Little scuttlebutt with colonial pipeline is that there's been conversation about how colonial pipeline did not shut the pipeline down because of any technical concerns about the the, the industrial control systems, they shut the pipeline down because their billing systems got shut down. The billing systems are actually what got fit with the ransomware.

Brian Schulmeister 50:25
That's not a good look. And they

Dave Bittner 50:27
couldn't, they were afraid that they wouldn't know who to bill for things. So somebody said shut it off. Now, evidently, I've seen other commentary that says it's a little more complicated than that, as these things tend to be in that, you know, it's not as bad as it sounds. But still, in my mind, it seems as though there should be some sort of backstop against that sort of thing. There should be some way that and maybe there will be now the federal government will say, look, job one is to keep the the oil and the gas flowing. So we don't have this thing we ran into with people putting gasoline into plastic bags, like we had all south eastern US winning. Yeah, I know. We, we had some gas shortages here locally, there were a few gas stations near me that were out of gas. So

Jason DeFillippo 51:20
how much of that is actual pipeline shutdown? And how much of it is just panic? It's all panic. Yeah. Yeah. Just like the great TP rush of 2020.

Brian Schulmeister 51:29
Yeah. I do help the people that have their bags of gas. Don't mix them up with their bags of bleach that they're supposed to drink for the Coronavirus. Because that could be disastrous. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, there you go. This isn't so much a new story this has been poking about for a bit but good old Senator Ron Wyden, one of the few people in our in our esteemed government that seems to actually understand technology to some degree is fairly convinced at this point. The Pentagon is tracking US citizens without a warrant and wrote them a sternly worded letter about that, saying we'd like some information here. And the dirty replied with a sternly redacted letter telling us not much. So yeah, we'll see what happens. This is all about the you know, we can't if we know it's illegal for us to go out and get this information ourselves. But if other people happen to be selling it, we can buy it. Right?

Dave Bittner 52:26
Yeah. Right. Right. Is this comes down to there's all sorts of information that the government cannot get without a warrant. Yes. But if you voluntarily give up that information in the course of your everyday business with all of the apps you use online, and someone aggregates all that information, and they they are allowed to sell it, and they're allowed to sell it. The God is saying that they're allowed to

Jason DeFillippo 52:50
buy it. Everybody else can. Why can't we

Brian Schulmeister 52:53
write and write seems fair, but it seems like a Oh, I don't know Texas sighs loophole in policy. But yeah,

Dave Bittner 53:00
I Yeah, I think so. And it's definitely an area of policy that is continuing to play out and evolve.

Unknown Speaker 53:08

Dave Bittner 53:10
I get what they're saying here, I get what the DOJ is saying here, and at its core, it is the fact that we are all giving up this information.

Brian Schulmeister 53:18
Yeah, we are. And that is the main problem, right? That's the one part that we'd like to have fixed tech companies, right and everybody else known to man. But even if we are willingly giving it up, it seems to be leaking out everywhere. Anyways, like we've I don't even know if we ever even mentioned the peloton exposing private data thing but their rival exercise giant just heard Exelon has just heard about that today or this week, this last week that they have the same issue. It's a leaky, they say leaky API is a poorly fucking coated API. Yeah, exactly.

And that is the real problem with all these companies. All this shit is poorly coded. I don't know what people are thinking at these companies anymore. But you know, it's basically I imagine it's let's get it done as quickly as possible and as cheaply as possible and nobody thinks to like, test things out. Or, you know, maybe maybe the API shouldn't give out name, city age, sex, phone number, weight, birth date, Workout, statistics and history without some authorization. They do. Brian, you know,

Jason DeFillippo 54:23
like back in the day, US oldsters had fixed all this stuff and wrote all the code that wouldn't do all this stuff. But, you know, once we turned 40, they wouldn't let us play in the sandbox anymore. So they had to start from scratch with fresh talent. You know, this is a I think this is a side effect of not letting people over 40 play in in the game anymore. I think this is like this really are. This is like just a knock on effect of making it really hard for people over 40 who have like 20 years of experience writing code, making it hard for them to get a job in the industry. I mean, I grant I'm looking at it through old colored lenses, because that's why I quit. But you know, little things like writing API's we did, we did that in our sleep. And we had it, we had it nailed man, we could write just an API with completely secured no problems whatsoever all day long. And when we always

Brian Schulmeister 55:19
came from a privacy first coding point, you know, I was, let's make sure that who should get this data? Well, let's make sure that this data is protected in some sort of way. And of course, I mean, I'm sure some people out there are saying, Oh, so what your exercise by collecting your data, but it's it's the it's the, it's collecting all the data, and collecting all the databases and putting them all together. You're getting so much information from this name, city age, sex, now combine it with Facebook account, now combine it with a hacked Domino's account where there may be a credit card. Now, you know what I mean? It's just It's crazy how much of our data is out there now and is being connected together? And that's the real problem. These companies need to fucking step it up.

Jason DeFillippo 56:02
But Brian, we're not supposed to say that. Because all we like is Google Chrome and ring. And we want everybody to have all the data. I don't know if

Brian Schulmeister 56:10
nobody's heard that. nobody's heard that review yet. Because of the way this thing. Oh, that's right.

Jason DeFillippo 56:15
Stick around later for coming soon. There's

Brian Schulmeister 56:17
an interesting review from somebody that did not listen to our show at all. They gave us a one star.

Jason DeFillippo 56:22
We're temporarily challenged here on grumpy,

Dave Bittner 56:25
grumpy old geeks Time Machine. Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think this is that old thing about how temporary solutions become permanent solutions. Yeah. And it's get let's get to market fast, you know, move fast and break things. And then they good enough coding, right? They never take care of their technical debt.

Jason DeFillippo 56:45
Yeah, it always comes.

Dave Bittner 56:47
Right. And then it comes due. But by that time, they have all these users. And so how are you going to update that? Oh, well, it's baked in the hardware. We can't, we can't recall all the things and Well, well, hopefully nobody will notice, guess what they noticed?

Brian Schulmeister 57:00
Well, and then even when they notice, no consequences. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah, no consequences. So why should a company give a shit?

Dave Bittner 57:10
That's true, that would be a useful change would be

Jason DeFillippo 57:15
somebody else who needs to do that changes? Venmo. Now, talking about Venmo. Before and why? Why?

Brian Schulmeister 57:25
I, let's let's be like a bank, but social? Why? Right. Let's let everybody know what I paid for. And when and let's let them use cute emojis.

Dave Bittner 57:38
And let's make it the default that everyone sees everything I did. Yeah, that makes total sense.

Jason DeFillippo 57:45
Well, you know, Venmo, is now owned by PayPal, which was founded by Peter teal, who has a history of liking lots of data from people. So who knows? There's, there's a line there, but I'm sure Peter was out of it. But still, it's like, the ghost of Peter teal lives on Venmo. So what I'm talking about here is, Joe Biden mentioned that he paid somebody on Venmo. And then of course, BuzzFeed news who is known for their crack reporting. Sadly, that's not a joke anymore. They are known for their correct reporting, believe it or not, went and found Joe's public Venmo account and most of his family and friends, which probably took like 20 minutes. Because if you know what you're looking for, you got to do a search. That's all you got to do. It does beg

Brian Schulmeister 58:35
the question, why did Joe Biden ever even have Venmo? to begin with? I certainly didn't until I finally had to, like, get money from some millennial, and they didn't have anything else. That's

Jason DeFillippo 58:51
why I've got it.

Unknown Speaker 58:54
I'm like, Don't you have 20 bucks on yours like,

Unknown Speaker 58:57
cash? Just send it at least via PayPal. Come on. What about Apple Pay? I can use Apple Pay.

Brian Schulmeister 59:04
Nope, nope. Nope. They all like they want to put a poop emoji next to the $20 they send you and make sure everybody knows. Now

Jason DeFillippo 59:12
we had a we had a plumber one times, like, Hey, you can just Venmo it to me. I'm like, No, let me go in the other room and give you pieces of paper. And then you can leave Venmo you Jesus. So I thought that was pretty funny. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Grandpa Joe. This one is not funny, though. This was over at wired. And I saw it and I'm just like, oh my god. ransomware is dangerous. new trick is double encrypting your data. So a couple different things here. Double pleasure. So some some hacker groups are double encrypting your data. So they'll sell you a key and you encrypt it and boom, it's still encrypted, but sometimes sometimes ransomware will, they'll both meet at the door. At the same time one will encrypt, and then you get another ransomware on top of it. So you got to pay him both blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And all I have to say is fuck these guys in the fucking face. I just I'm sick of I'm sick of ransomware I think this should be our new Osama bin Laden as we go after anybody that builds ransomware. Seriously, I

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:18
do hope these companies have a good ad campaign going with doublemint gum series. I really do since apparently, that's a thing. Now, if you're a ransomware company, you get advertisers?

Dave Bittner 1:00:29
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, yeah. Well, and the push is to also to if we were to apply regulations to the cryptocurrencies that would get us much of the way there because that's what's enabling all this?

Brian Schulmeister 1:00:44
That's that's what they're all using? Yes. Yeah. They'll have to move to Venmo. Right, then we'll be able to track them. No, probably

Dave Bittner 1:00:51
where they are no problem at all.

Jason DeFillippo 1:00:53
Yeah, it's funny, like this past week. I've been fireproofing my data, meaning that if the house burns down, that I can basically just start over, go get a get a friend, the goal is to be able to walk into an apple store, get a fresh laptop, in start over. So I don't lose clients. Are

Dave Bittner 1:01:11
you planning some insurance fraud or something?

Brian Schulmeister 1:01:14
No, just after that. Sounds a little suspicious.

Jason DeFillippo 1:01:18
It's fire season, I've got a fire that's been going like for four days down the street, and they're just always around fire season. It's just like, man, the only box that I really wants my Synology so I can, I can, like, you know, grab the Synology might like my little baby doll and bundle it up and run to the hills. But it also comes down to that losing the client data from my last kerfuffle. You know, yeah, it all ties back in together. So I've been trying to do this in in in doing that, I figured out that, yeah, I can make this right. I can make everything I have ransomware proof. by just doing I don't know what we've said all along off site backups. And, you know, it's very, very smart off site backup. So I've just been kind of diving into that, in my my copious free time. It's kind of been fun. Because also trying to figure out it's like, okay, let's say, let's say, I literally have to get out of the house and run, I don't have my phone. I don't have my computers, everything's gone. Then you have you have the puzzle of how do I get it back? Because the first step would be, how do I get into my one password account without my super ginormous double ding dong key that you have to drive? Because I use one password online, one password calm, and that key that you have to get into it with is monstrous. So it's like, Okay, how do we do that? And then backtrack. backtrace from that, because everything comes from, you know, my password software nowadays, and so should yours, everybody. Right? And then trying to figure that out. So I'm like I have, I've literally printed it and mailed it to different family members. And said, just put this in a drawer, if I call him one day. Read it off to me. That's

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:03
we're opening ourselves up for some social engineering here.

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:06
No, not really. Really? Because here's the other part.

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:11
Shut up. Bam, Bam. Hi, grandma. Can I have my Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:19
roof. Don't send the whole thing to one person. That's how you change your plans.

Brian Schulmeister 1:03:31
Change a plan. That thing I mailed you burn it?

Jason DeFillippo 1:03:36
No, no, no, you break the key and multiple parts. That's how you do it. Because I don't want to give like, you know, my family member the keys to my one password after send it to multiple people who preferably don't know each other, and then you ups the keys back together. I'm just saying there are ways to do it that are it. But it's a fun experiment. It's a fun experiment. And because I'm weird, and I think that that's a fun experiment.

Dave Bittner 1:04:00
Hopefully, you won't have to have it play out to its complete conclusion. Exactly.

Brian Schulmeister 1:04:06
Because they were is that thing you mailed me? I might have thrown that in the trash. Yeah.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:12
That was in my pocket and I washed my jeans.

Dave Bittner 1:04:15
It was a bunch of funny letters on that piece of paper. Yeah, I figured your printer was broke.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:21
Then Then there's the other side of just how to rebuild if you just don't care anymore. It's like, Okay, it's time for a change of career. Mm hmm. So

Dave Bittner 1:04:30
So I believe that every there's there's a certain amount of cleansing that comes with every large data loss like that every catastrophic data loss, there's a there's a emotional mental cleansing that comes with it because you simply have to let go. Mm hmm.

Jason DeFillippo 1:04:45
Yep, yep. Then you just the the inner nihilist comes out, and it's like, what does it all really mean anyway? Right. What does it all mean? I did find this one funny and I thought everybody should do this who has a Windows machine. Basically, you want to Set up your PC. So it has a Russian keyboard on it. Because a lot of malware out there is triggered to not install, if it thinks it's in Russia or the Ukraine, there's a list actually over in krebsonsecurity. And somebody has that it made it like a little two line batch script to that you can download and run on your PC that will activate the keyboards but not make you download all the language files and stuff. So when the malware lands on your machine, it'll check then if it sees that you're, you know, from the Motherland, it won't install. Yeah, it's not like perfect security, but it's just one of those silly little things that you can do. That just might save your bacon one day.

Dave Bittner 1:05:40
Yeah, yeah, I yeah, I had an idea of just making little USB dongles that just look like Cyrillic keyboards. They weren't actually that, but would make the computer think that one was plugged in. Yeah, so it actually thought it had hardware hooked up to it. I agree with you. I think this is one of those things that it might not help but it can't hurt. Exactly. Exactly. You know, why not? It's like, like taking vitamin C. You know what, why not?

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:10
Just don't go overboard. Yeah, then you get the poops. It's bad. It's really bad. You don't want to go overboard with vitamin C.

Brian Schulmeister 1:06:17
Right? Or Russian keyboard Russian keyboards. Yeah,

Jason DeFillippo 1:06:19
the bad script will it basically creates registry entries that are the ones that the malware is actually looking for. Alright, so cool.

Brian Schulmeister 1:06:27
I thought that was fun that just came out this manner. Our last thing here is from Mike who says, this Washington Post article, this facial recognition website can turn anyone into a cop or a stalker. We've talked a lot about facial recognition, particularly the government or police department's use of it, which was terrifying enough, but good old capitalism has finally brought it to all of us. The facial recognition side pmis is one of the most capable face searching tools on the planet and less than a second, it can scan through more than 90 million images from across the internet and find matches was startling accuracy. And anybody can use this. This is open to the masses. So yeah, what is Yeah, it says a little frightening. Without public oversight, or government rules or regulations controlling facial recognition us researchers expect that sites like pmis will multiply capitalizing on the internet's fast bounty of photos and videos, and making it possible for strangers to keep tabs on people's personal lives. And what is stopping them literally nothing. So Stephanie are a technology researcher in London? Yes,

Dave Bittner 1:07:27
these guys are out of Poland, I believe. And Ben yelin. And I actually talked about this last week. And we tried it out, each of us did put in one of our own pictures to see what it came up with. And it was both hilarious and terrifying. found plenty of pictures of me, including pictures of me from when I was in my 20s. Wow. Yeah, yeah. But as much fun as it finding those pictures. And by the way, one thing that people are saying about all of these facial recognition things is that what kind of creeps you out is when they find you in the background of photos. You did not know you were in

Jason DeFillippo 1:08:09
Yeah, that's it?

Dave Bittner 1:08:10
Yeah, you're at a wedding or someone else's vacation photos. So you happen to be at the beach. You know? You cut into someone's photo and it finds you. It finds you it doesn't care, doesn't care where you are. There's no context.

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:25
There's no context to these things. Yeah, right.

Dave Bittner 1:08:28
But the other fun thing about it was beyond all the pictures that found of me, it found dozens of pictures of guys who look a lot like me. Bitner Yeah, that was fun, too. Because, you know, some of them you go, Wow, yeah, that, that really, that guy really looks like me. And other ones is like, oh, that doesn't look anything like me. But enough of them look just like you. There you go. If I pass that person on the street, I would I would give them a second look. And Whoa, like you look

Brian Schulmeister 1:08:54
just like me. So it literally makes you take a long, hard look in the mirror. It does.

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:00
Okay, so I'm looking at the pricing plans here. 2999 a month for the open plus plan, you get 25 searches a day, unlocking results, up to three alerts in basic support for a month. Now you pay $80 a month. Here's where it gets fun. Same stuff, more searches, blah, blah, blah. You also get blocking photos from being displayed in the search results. Also drafting incenting up to 80 DMCA and GDPR takedown notices on your behalf.

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:35
Now that's a service that's

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:36
a service that's actually worth paying for.

Brian Schulmeister 1:09:39
Now, my question is as soon as you stop subscribing back if you block them and you stop your subscription,

Jason DeFillippo 1:09:48
I'm not about to pay $80 to find out. But it's it's interesting, but I mean geez the the ad DMCA and GDPR takedown notices alone. That's just Bukka notice, that's, that's actually kind of, you know, affordable. Well,

Dave Bittner 1:10:06
there's the business model.

Jason DeFillippo 1:10:08
Well, the nice thing about it if you put it in, like there's that one photo that I have of, you know, the Irish musician, Liam Clancy that was stolen and passed around everywhere. If I wanted to put that in there, if you can kind of use this, like 10 i 10. I was the other service that you basically put something in it will find every instance of that photo on the internet. So this is kind of the same thing, but for people, so I wonder if it's from the same people. That'd be interesting to check out. But yeah, the this is kind of cool. I'm gonna play with it. It's are terrifying. Terrifying, but hey, it's open to the public. So we can actually play with this one, unlike some of the other ones that only law enforcement has access to. Right? Yeah. Hmm. Gog dot show, slash donate, please.

Brian Schulmeister 1:10:57
Jason needs a new play thing. Once Jason's done printing out parts of his key and mailing them out, he doesn't have anything to do on Sunday night. So

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:10
yeah, the biggest problem is then I'd forget which parts I sent to who? And then I have to do the mental gymnastics. And also, if I have my phone's gone, I'm not gonna have anybody's phone number. Might have to rethink some flaws to your plan or definitely some flaws to my plan.

Dave Bittner 1:11:24
You're gonna end up like that guy who had the millions of dollars in Bitcoin on the encrypted hard drive. You know, he had the key on the encrypted hard drive and he had 10 guesses to get it. Oh, he couldn't remember what it was. That's gonna be

Brian Schulmeister 1:11:36
I was actually I was actually thinking he's gonna be more like the guy momento coverage. One, grandma two.

Jason DeFillippo 1:11:47
I have to remember to like take my shirt off and look in the mirror backwards in a certain way, and have them all lined up and then they'll lock into place and that'll be my key.

Dave Bittner 1:11:59
During will during the future archaeologists

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:04
already have tattoos for that. Alright, guys, well, that was fun.

Brian Schulmeister 1:12:10
Yeah, ready? Let's talk next week.

Dave Bittner 1:12:13
We'll see what Jason's new tattoos there you go see you next time. Shout

Jason DeFillippo 1:12:21
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Brian Schulmeister 1:12:31
Thank you. And over at iTunes we've got livered who gave us a one star rating. I love this one. Bring it on. recklessly uninformed podcast was claimed care about privacy and security but promote bad practices and propriety proprietary data harvesters constantly? Sure, hop on Google and start googling on your Google Chrome browser. Oh, let's use ring to expose our private lives to big tech monopolies. Let's bash community projects like Firefox and promote the absolute dominance of the Chrome browser. Don't host a tech podcast that promotes convenience over security and tech rights. Says the guy who obviously works for Firefox Exactly.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:06
I know we're live vert works Firefox sucks that's why we don't promote Firefox

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:11
neither of us use Google Chrome you recklessly uninformed reviewer

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:14
exactly I use brave

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:18
when's the last time we talked about like yay Google. Yay Google Chrome. Fuck you.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:25
I don't know what episode this guy listened to or gal but obviously didn't listen to the whole thing or get the joke. Geez. Well, anyway.

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:35
Anyways, Firefox employees are now infesting our comments apparently

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:39
fine by me. At least we got a few downloads out of them. Over pod chaser gaybo pagan writes in five stars Ilan Musk's favorite podcast.

Brian Schulmeister 1:13:53
Until next time, I'm Brian Shaw.

Jason DeFillippo 1:13:54
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